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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:15 am 
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Charlie Curnow won't play midfield next year despite you two experts predicting it.


Why not?

Because until we sort out our fwd line, he will play there. He may have cameos on the ball as will others and in the future he may play there but not yet.

I hope he develops into a genuine midfielder because I see Kouta MkII in him.

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I reckon Charlie's footy brain is more developed than Kouta at the same age.

How much time he spends in the midfield will depend on injuries/personnel


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I reckon Charlie's footy brain is more developed than Kouta at the same age.

How much time he spends in the midfield will depend on injuries/personnel

We tried to turn Hampson into a forward and Tippett in spite of the fact that he was drafted as a ruck. Ruined him throwing him around due to that nonsensical substitute rule. Stood up in the ruck after he finally got his chance last year.

Menzel's footy brain would be better than Curnow's and had us excited, yet Troy didn't become a gun forward, let alone a mid. Same goes for Yarran who could read the play and rip a game to shreds, but didn't have the ability to find the pill and run the lines as well as Brock Mclean, let alone the elite mids.

Curnow should just be allowed to go out and play like Walker who was best suited where Carlton could use his run and carry.

Whitnall had arguably the best footy brain of any player I've seen. Even Hird. Lance was worth more to Carlton hitting up targets and kicking 70 goals than at half back. Ratten would have pushed Curnow to half back.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:21 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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Charlie Curnow won't play midfield next year despite you two experts predicting it.


Why not?

Because until we sort out our fwd line, he will play there.


So you know this for sure, do you? :grin:
Yes he'll play forward but he should also have stints on ball. Our focus at the moment should be fast tracking the development of the players.They should play the roles that will see them realise their potential. Not the roles that shore up our ladder position in the short term.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Blue Vain wrote:
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Charlie Curnow won't play midfield next year despite you two experts predicting it.


Why not?

Because until we sort out our fwd line, he will play there.


So you know this for sure, do you? :grin:
Yes he'll play forward but he should also have stints on ball. Our focus at the moment should be fast tracking the development of the players.They should play the roles that will see them realise their potential. Not the roles that shore up our ladder position in the short term.


Agree. C Curnow should be played primarily in the midfield on rotation with Cripps, resting up forward. Has the tank already - and we're in desperate need of bigger bodied inside mids. Remember we'll soon get Ben S, alongside Jack and McKay - three full time specialist tall forwards.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:53 pm 
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This is a wishful team..
Simpson Weitering Plowman
Macreadie Marchbank Byrne
Docherty Cripps SPS
Pickett McKay CCurnow
SOJ Casboult Lebois
Phillips/Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
From; Fisher Cuningham Palmer ECurnow

Tried to keep some experience in with Palmer, Casboult and ECurnow.
Not sure weather, Macreadie, Pickett, Lebois, McKay, Fisher and Cuningham will make it??
Reckon Marchbank and SPS will, just like Weitering, SOJ and CCurnow have..
Would be rapt if these lads can make it, team would start to take shape..
wishful thinking I guess....


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Vain wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Charlie Curnow won't play midfield next year despite you two experts predicting it.


Why not?

Because until we sort out our fwd line, he will play there.


So you know this for sure, do you? :grin:
Yes he'll play forward but he should also have stints on ball. Our focus at the moment should be fast tracking the development of the players.They should play the roles that will see them realise their potential. Not the roles that shore up our ladder position in the short term.

So you quote the first half of my post, take the piss and then rephrase the second half of my post and expand it to prove your point?

Nice one.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2017 6:13 pm 
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Nah, I'm just being dismissively patronising like you were to Ianh and Rexy. :razz:
The reality is none of us know where he is going to play. Including you.
They were just offering their thoughts. Patronisingly calling them "experts" for having a differing view was poor form IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Vain wrote:
Nah, I'm just being dismissively patronising like you were to Ianh and Rexy. :razz:
The reality is none of us know where he is going to play. Including you.
They were just offering their thoughts. Patronisingly calling them "experts" for having a differing view was poor form IMO.

Fair enough.
Come back to me in 8 months.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:05 pm 
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Loving the vision in my mind of two Silvagnis, McKay and possibly Curnow in the forward line!!
(No easy task b/c I have no idea what Ben looks like...).

In the meantime, I hope Casboult can benefit from improved forward line structure and skill (continued development of Jack, Curnow, possibly McKay).


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Loving the vision in my mind of two Silvagnis, McKay and possibly Curnow in the forward line!!
(No easy task b/c I have no idea what Ben looks like...).

In the meantime, I hope Casboult can benefit from improved forward line structure and skill (continued development of Jack, Curnow, possibly McKay).


Ben looks more like SOS rather than Jo :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:34 pm 
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I still can't work out what we're going to do with our 4 tall defenders: Rowe, Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank.

Can't see any of them missing. But can't see us playing all 4 down back.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Stefchook wrote:
I still can't work out what we're going to do with our 4 tall defenders: Rowe, Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank.

Can't see any of them missing. But can't see us playing all 4 down back.


Assuming all remain uninjured, Weiters may swing forward a bit this year depending on the opposition.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:22 pm 
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I don't thik Weitering will be used forward except for the occasional switch in some games. He might well become the best Full Back in the AFL. I wouldn't screw with that.
I suspect Plowman will play small, coming off a half-back.
And if Marchbank comes on, then Rowe might start to get squeezed out or switched forward.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:24 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
I still can't work out what we're going to do with our 4 tall defenders: Rowe, Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank.

Can't see any of them missing. But can't see us playing all 4 down back.


Its a highly discussed point you make Stefchook. You're not on your own.

Rowe has been training with the forwards and at last week's closed training session he trained with the rucks (Rowe Kreuzer Gorringe Korcheck)

Plowman has been interviewed and he mentioned how he's looking forward to taking the next step with Weiters in the backline.
Marchbank has played forward and is a good set shot for goal, but had been playing CHB for the GWS when fit.

I wonder which of the 2 of Casboult or Rowe become the Tall Forward/ 2nd ruckmen. OR one of them plays that role whilst the other is stay at home forward OR both of them mix it up.

With team defense the mantra, I'm thinking BB's focus isn't on 1 on 1 contest ie requiring Rowe to match up with the opposition KPF gorillas eg Hawkins. Personally I can see the need for Rowe in the backline against the gorillas, unless Weiterings' new pair of Thunder Thighs have been developed to give him the SOS advantage (as he had over gorillas like Carey and Plugger and strongmen like Ablett and Dunstall).

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:15 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
I still can't work out what we're going to do with our 4 tall defenders: Rowe, Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank.

Can't see any of them missing. But can't see us playing all 4 down back.


Looks like the plan is to try and play Plowman on smaller forwards. I know Petracca is a gun, but the experiment didn't get off to a very good start. Really looked like Plowman struggled with Petracca's movement. Perhaps Marchbank is better suited to this role?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I hope we try Plowman forward at some stage during the practice matches. We desperately need to become less predictable in our front half. He might be worth a look as a mobile medium target.

If it works, we might line up like:

Simmo Rowe Weitering
Docherty Marchbank SPS
Cunningham Cripps E Curnow
Wright Casboult Armfield
Sumner C Curnow Plowman

Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Inter (from) - Boekhorst, Buckley, Fisher, Graham, Lamb, Pickett, Smedts, SOJ, White

If Weitering & Plowman (& Marchbank?) can play at both ends, that gives us much needed flexibility. I suspect Bolts may want them to settle in one position while they develop, so we might have to be patient. I would love to be talking about Jaksch this way too, but I'm not sure where he is at.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:02 am 
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Stefchook wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
I still can't work out what we're going to do with our 4 tall defenders: Rowe, Weitering, Plowman and Marchbank.

Can't see any of them missing. But can't see us playing all 4 down back.


Looks like the plan is to try and play Plowman on smaller forwards. I know Petracca is a gun, but the experiment didn't get off to a very good start. Really looked like Plowman struggled with Petracca's movement. Perhaps Marchbank is better suited to this role?


Plowman looked like the last line of a so called team defence.
Petracca didn't beat Plowman alone.
The Dees were flooding forward and it was 3-1 in most cases.
The Dees along with Petracca smashed a zone defence not prepared to work hard.
Furthermore, where was the support and defensive effort from our midfield when their mids were swarming forward?

It was a practise game.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I hope we try Plowman forward at some stage during the practice matches. We desperately need to become less predictable in our front half. He might be worth a look as a mobile medium target.

If it works, we might line up like:

Simmo Rowe Weitering
Docherty Marchbank SPS
Cunningham Cripps E Curnow
Wright Casboult Armfield
Sumner C Curnow Plowman

Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Inter (from) - Boekhorst, Buckley, Fisher, Graham, Lamb, Pickett, Smedts, SOJ, White

If Weitering & Plowman (& Marchbank?) can play at both ends, that gives us much needed flexibility. I suspect Bolts may want them to settle in one position while they develop, so we might have to be patient. I would love to be talking about Jaksch this way too, but I'm not sure where he is at.


A lot of Carlton fans share similar confidence in Sumner.

He's another one we are crossing our fingers for a break through. I hold similar hope with Pickett.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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R1 next year ?

B. Plowman Weitering Docherty(C)
HB. Byrne Marchbank Williamson
C. Pickett Murphy Fisher
HF. JSilvagni McKay CCurnow
F. Wright Schache LeBois
R. Kreuzer Cripps SPS
I. Macreadie Polson Balic ECurnow


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