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gotta have the funky gibbins.


can you imagine gibbins and 21 wiggins doin the funky gibbins with ratts after winnins???








my head is spinnins.





oh yeah, it's all just beginnins.





the wiggins, the gibbins, all the winnins.

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That midfield would look a lot better with GIBBS in it... actually the team would look better with GIBBS in it :wink:


Whoops!! See how hard it is getting. Gibbs would definitely be in there.


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B: Scotland Jamison Thornton
HB: Walker O'Hailpin Bower
C: Simpson Stevens Armfield
HF: Gibbs Waite Edwards
F: Betts Fevola Kreuzer

R: Hampson Murphy Judd

IC: Cloke, Russell, Grigg, Hadley

No Carrazzo, Fisher, Wiggins or Bentick, foot skills are just too poor.


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cj69 wrote:
Don't mind doing this every couple of weeks. Gives a good indication of our improvement and how players are going:

B. Anderson Setanta Jamison
HB. Browne Bower Grigg
C. Stevens Bentick Simpson
HF. Walker Waite Betts
F. Gibbs Fevola Kruezer
R. Hampson Judd Murphy

Int from: Cloke (Backup Ruck/CHF) Wiggins (Small Marking Fwd) Thornton (key Defender) Armfield Carrazzo Scotland Hadley (Part of Awesome midfield rotation) Bannister (Utility shutdown player).

VERY dangerous fwd line. Young developing backline. Potentionally as good a midfield you would find.

End of the year add about 4 picks, 1 PSD and a 'big fish'!


How about our best Reserves side:

B: Hill Saddington Shields
HB: Aisake Austin Russell
C: Pfieffer Blackwell Benjamin
HF: Houlihan Hartlett Wiggins
F: Ellard Ackland Edwards
Foll: Jacobs Jackson Joseph

Bit of potential or a lot of dead wood?


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Now is the time to look forward, this is our potential best 22 going forward and what we need to be a CONTENDER!

Criteria must centre around Desire, Skill, Toughness, ability to handle Pressure, Potential, Flexibility and Speed

B. Anderson Jamison Bower
HB. Browne Austin Grigg
C. Walker Murphy Waite
HF. Gibbs Hartlett Hadley
F. Houlihan Kreuzer Betts
R. Hampson Judd Armfield

Int from: Simpson Pfeiffer Thornton Bannister Stevens Scotland Jacobs.

Smaller, more mobile defence which is now norm for top clubs. Size around the ball. Mobile, alternating fwd line with good defensive skills and goalkicking ability and able to take better advantage of opportunities.

Plus we need to add a mature ruckman and at least 5 good youngsters in the ND.


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My Best team. You always need to compare to the best.
So compared to 1995. This is what I came up with.

FB: Dean Silvagni Hogg
Thornton Jamison Armfield

HB: McKay Sexton Christou
Scotland Waite Bower

C: Koutoufides Williams Hanna
Walker Stevens Russell

HF: Clape Spalding Bradley
Gibbs Hartlett Simpson

F: Pearce Kernahan (c) Rice
Fisher Fevola Betts

Madden - Kruezer
Brown - Judd
Ratten - Murphy
Int: Camporeale Manton Whitehead
Interchange: Hampson, Cloke, Hadley, Carazzo

By my assessment - We can select this team next round except for Bower and Hadley, Replaced by Grigg and Bentick. Assume that Armfield is back in otherwise Browne keeps his spot.

Compared to 1995 this time has youth on its side. Ideally more talented replacements could be found for Thornton, Jamison, Scotland, Russell, Fisher, Cloke and Carazzo, but hey even premiership teams have a few lucky selections, just ask Scott, Ian and Mario.


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cj 69 wrote

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B. Anderson Jamison Bower
HB. Browne Austin Grigg
C. Walker Murphy Waite
HF. Gibbs Hartlett Hadley
F. Houlihan Kreuzer Betts
R. Hampson Judd Armfield

Int from: Simpson Pfeiffer Thornton Bannister Stevens Scotland Jacobs.


It's getting close to perfect cj. with that centreline; same as mine!

I know you're looking to the future, but whilst Austin is yet to prove himself, but may just be the very answer to this puzzle, I would have Setanta as mu 199cm insurance policy to play against the Kosis and reiwoldt ruck sized forwards, your smaller, more mobile defenders couldn't match up on.

It's really obvious that if Jacobs doesn't step up, and Aisake has been ruined, we need a ruckman to rotate with Hammer, and at time Kreuzer.

What happens if Hartlett breaks down or is cut from the list?

I suppose that's where Fev comes into play. It's interesting how we could build a team without Fev....it looks refreshing...but I would think a team focussed Fev who sacrifices his game (a decoy, who attracts a couple of defenders) and only kicks , say 3 goals a game in a forwardline with an even spread of goalkickers seems the way to go.

Nevertheless, your team is a team which where most lining up will still be around after Fev, Stevens and Scotto have retired...and to think we'll get perhaps pick 5/6 and 21/22 in a deep draft this year....goose bumps.

The future: Blue Skies.

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Austin is very much the key.

If he can hold a position down back next year that could really solidify things so we can move forward quickly.


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bondiblue wrote:
cj 69 wrote

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B. Anderson Jamison Bower
HB. Browne Austin Grigg
C. Walker Murphy Waite
HF. Gibbs Hartlett Hadley
F. Houlihan Kreuzer Betts
R. Hampson Judd Armfield

Int from: Simpson Pfeiffer Thornton Bannister Stevens Scotland Jacobs.


It's getting close to perfect cj. with that centreline; same as mine!

I know you're looking to the future, but whilst Austin is yet to prove himself, but may just be the very answer to this puzzle, I would have Setanta as mu 199cm insurance policy to play against the Kosis and reiwoldt ruck sized forwards, your smaller, more mobile defenders couldn't match up on.

It's really obvious that if Jacobs doesn't step up, and Aisake has been ruined, we need a ruckman to rotate with Hammer, and at time Kreuzer.

What happens if Hartlett breaks down or is cut from the list?

I suppose that's where Fev comes into play. It's interesting how we could build a team without Fev....it looks refreshing...but I would think a team focussed Fev who sacrifices his game (a decoy, who attracts a couple of defenders) and only kicks , say 3 goals a game in a forwardline with an even spread of goalkickers seems the way to go.

Nevertheless, your team is a team which where most lining up will still be around after Fev, Stevens and Scotto have retired...and to think we'll get perhaps pick 5/6 and 21/22 in a deep draft this year....goose bumps.

The future: Blue Skies.


I have high hopes for Hartlett, if he can stay fit. If he can't I think we need to look at a mobile CHF ala Murphy at Footscray. Maybe Hadley or Walker (even Thornton) could fill that role?

I believe we will be much better with Fev out of the side.

One thing I believe we haven't done is progress with our game plan in regards to the top 3 sides. Forward and Defence structures need to be more mobile.

I REALLY BELIEVE WE ARE PLAYING TO TALL AT THE MOMENT.

We are definitely to Fev reliant and Jamison and Thornton have been forced to play on smaller players thus slowing our run from defence. Jamo looked much better against Reiwoldt.

Hawthorn, Geelong & the Bulldogs play mid sized mobile defences and launch their attacks from there and get it in to a mobile fwd line that rotates constantly and creates space.

Walker & Waite on wings (playing like Richo) along with our midfield would stretch any opposition.

Even Hawthorns fwd line with Buddy and Roughead relies alot on rotation and the options of Rioli, Williams and sometimes Hodge.


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BP: Shaun Grigg FB: Setanta O'hAilpin BP: Paul Bower

HB: Andrew Carrazzo CHB: Jarrad Waite HB: Bryce Gibbs

WING: Andrew Walker C: Nick Stevens WING: Kade Simpson

HF: Dennis Armfield CHF: Richard Hadley HF: Steven Browne

FP: Eddie Betts FF: Brendan Fevola FP: Brad Fisher

MID: Marc Murphy RK: Matthew Kreuzer MID: Chris Judd

INT: Shaun Hampson INT: Michael Jamison INT: Darren Pffeifer INT: Adam Hartlett

I’ve got the twins in the BP to nullify the little opponents. With Setanta at FB because I feel we might not have many other options. Except maybe Jammo which could come off the Bench to play FB if needed.

The HB line is quite a strong one. I made it this way so we can get a lot of rebound off the HB line. We have the ball magnet Carrazzo which will always present an option. And with the athletisism of Waite and the poise of Gibbs it is a very formidable backline.

Again the Wingmen in Walker and Simpson will create run, with Nick Stevens in the centre. If we stay pretty central, and not have everyone leading out to the wings, congesting them, then I believe that Walker and Simpson could do a lot of damage there.

The HF line is quite youthful with new and exciting players in Armfield and Browne to use their poise and pace to break the lines. I haven’t seen much of these players but by what I have seen. I believe that they will be in our best 22 going forward.

Deep in the forward line I have Eddie to get the crumbs. With Fisher being a backup to Fevola, with Fev doing some dummy leads it could leave Fish with a weaker opponent, and that could work in our favour with his good hands.

On the bench I have Hammer which will change with Kreuzer in the ruck frequently. Jamison to maybe change with Jarrad Waite so we can release him on the wing, and Pffeif and Hartlett will be able to rotate within the HF line and the Mids.

Of course this is all with injuries not being taken into account, and this is only used for the current list. I have chosen this team for balance with youth and experience. This is subject to change with the draft at the end of the season, and of course this is all IMO.


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i think our best 22 has changed a fair bit at the halfway mark of the season and here's how i think our best 22 looks like atm:

FB: thornton jamison bower
HB: scotland waite carrazzo
C: walker judd simpson
HF: murphy fisher houlihan
FF: betts fevola kreuzer
RR: cloke gibbs stevens
INT: bentick hadley o'hailpin wiggins
EMG: hampson bannister armfield

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Thought I'd give it a go.

B: Jamison Thornton Armfield

HB: Houlihan Waite Scotland

C: Simpson Stevens Murphy

HF: Walker Fevola Gibbs

F: Betts Cloke Hadley

R: Kreuzer, Judd, Bentick

I/E: From - Carrazzo, Browne, Grigg, Fisher, S. O'Hailpin,
------------- Wiggins, Bower, Hampson

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The picture is developing!

B. Browne Jamison Bower
HB. Scotland Austin Grigg
C. Simpson Murphy Waite
HF. Gibbs Kruezer Walker
F. Houlihan Fevola Betts
R. Hampson Judd Stevens

Int from: Hadley Cloke Pfeiffer Thornton Bannister Armfield Carrazzo.

Others for consideration include Setanta, Wiggins, Russell, Bentick.

Future prospects on list Jacobs, Anderson, Joseph.

Need a CHF, maybe a mature ruckman, CHB and a crumbing HF.

Add Brown, Cox, Scarlett and Rioli to the side and we are pretty close? :-D


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Keep in mind that we are likely to pick up 1 or 2 good kids in this years draft as well...and who knows what will happen in the PSD


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blue4 wrote:
Keep in mind that we are likely to pick up 1 or 2 good kids in this years draft as well...and who knows what will happen in the PSD


If we can select as good as last year with our third & fourth round etc we will really look good!

A 'big fish' will really help.


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cj69 wrote:
blue4 wrote:
Keep in mind that we are likely to pick up 1 or 2 good kids in this years draft as well...and who knows what will happen in the PSD


If we can select as good as last year with our third & fourth round etc we will really look good!

A 'big Fremantle fish' will really help.


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cj69 wrote:
The picture is developing!

B. Browne Jamison Bower
HB. Scotland Austin Grigg
C. Simpson Murphy Waite
HF. Gibbs Kruezer Walker
F. Houlihan Fevola Betts
R. Hampson Judd Stevens

Int from: Hadley Cloke Pfeiffer Thornton Bannister Armfield Carrazzo.

Others for consideration include Setanta, Wiggins, Russell, Bentick.

Future prospects on list Jacobs, Anderson, Joseph.

Need a CHF, maybe a mature ruckman, CHB and a crumbing HF.

Add Brown, Cox, Scarlett and Rioli to the side and we are pretty close? :-D


I may be missing something.

Do you consider Browne to be more effective than Armfield:

a. in a BP
b. in the 22

Why?

I can't see it.

I'm not saying Browne is no good and shouldn't be considered, but I see Armfield having more strength:

in pace
in height
handball skill
kicking skill
and tackling they're both good, but I would have though Armfield has better closing down speed.

Interested in your view...anyone's view.

I definetely believe that Setanta is a couple (maybe 3) years ahead of Austin; Austin is very young and will need at least a couple of preseasons in the gym to match Setanta's weight and strength necessary against power forwards...then there's the debate over height and reach...vertical jump...experience.

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B Houlihan, Setanta, Jamison
HB Scotland, Waite, Bower
C Grigg, Stevens, Simpson
HF Murphy, Fisher, Walker
F Kreuzer, Fevola, Betts
R Cloke, Judd, Gibbs
Int Hadley, Carrazzo, Thornton, Wiggins

Emg: Russell, Bentick, Hampson


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I reckon Browney's going to be a great midfielder in the future. Play him off the bench next year.

I'd give Aussie CHB next year with Waitey up forward and floating in defense when momentum is against us.

Setanta down back to play on the oppositions talls.

Walks Pfeiffer and Betts up forward to provide intensity flair and defensive pressure.


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Andain wrote:
B Houlihan, Setanta, Jamison
HB Scotland, Waite, Bower
C Grigg, Stevens, Simpson
HF Murphy, Fisher, Walker
F Kreuzer, Fevola, Betts
R Cloke, Judd, Gibbs
Int Hadley, Carrazzo, Thornton, Wiggins

Emg: Russell, Bentick, Hampson


That said I would be looking to trade Thornton, Houlihan and Bentick during the trade period to see if we can get anything out of them. Their positions will be filled fairly easily and we might get a few second rounders for them.


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