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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 3:58 pm 
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-21/best-22-how-your-club-could-line-up-in-2018

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B: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Sam Docherty, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
C: Dale Thomas, Patrick Cripps, Darcy Lang
HF: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kennedy
F: Jack Silvagni, Charlie Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy
INT: Ciaran Byrne, David Cuningham, Jarrod Pickett, Alex Silvagni

NOTES: Midfielders Patrick Cripps and Ed Curnow were sadly missed towards the end of this season because of injury and their return will be welcomed. While Bryce Gibbs’ defection to the Crows will hurt in the short term, the Blues have added much-needed depth to their midfield with the inclusion of ex-Giant Matthew Kennedy and former Cat Darcy Lang, who should go straight into their best combination. Scoring enough goals has been Carlton’s biggest problem for a while and a priority for Brendon Bolton in 2018 will be finding the right combination in the forward half. The Blues have two first-round picks in next month’s NAB AFL Draft and are set to add at least one more young midfielder/defender.

NOT CONSIDERED: Andrew Phillips (foot – TBC), Sam Rowe (ACL – hopes to be back mid-season)

REMAINING SENIOR LIST: Blaine Boekhorst, Zac Fisher, Nick Graham, Patrick Kerr, Sam Kerridge, Jed Lamb, Matthew Lobbe, Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Cameron Polson, Billie Smedts, Simon White, Tom Williamson.

REMAINING ROOKIE LIST: Jesse Glass-McCasker, Kym Lebois - Howard Kotton


If we have no injuries and Thomas is in the starting 22 then Bolton should be sakced.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Picks 3 and 10 will fight it out for the 2018 rising star award...

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I like his energy but Fisher will need to get more of the ball in 2018.


Needs to be more selfish by foot. Has a good left foot on him but always looks for the hb


i thought in the last few games he actually was starting to kick more - and looked better for it

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:21 pm 
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I have no doubt Jack SOS will be a star.

He's still young.

Class, plus footy smarts, and that typical Silvagni ability to never give up and close down in the chase let alone smothering.

Good kick when he has energy. Really good mark. Protects the space.

He's a footballer who needs to build up stamina over the next 2 preseasons plus.

I think he may play time in the middle like his grand father.


I agree with everything except your last statement. I don't think he'll play midfield but he will do very well as a forward, especially once he builds up. He is a pure footballer with all the Silvagni smarts & traits.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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B: Tom Williamson, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman,
HB: Sam Docherty, Caleb Marchbank, Kade Simpson,
C:  Sam Petrevski-Seton, Patrick Cripps, Darcy Lang,
HF: Charlie Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Kennedy,
F: Jack Silvagni, Levi Casboult, David Cuningham,
R:  Matty Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy

INT: Zac Fisher, Jarrod Pickett, Dale Thomas, Harry McKay


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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This is what I hope to see.

Byrne Jones Weitering
Plowman Marchbank Docherty
Simpson Cripps Murphy
Petrovski-Seton Curnow Pickett
Lang Silvagni Casboult
Kruezer Kennedy E.Curnow(?)
Fisher Cunningham Williamson Polson
Emerg: McKay Macreade Pick3
* hope Kerr, LeBois Pick10 keep pushing
This should be the core group as much as possible now!!!

Depth players, only if needed - such as Wright, Thomas, Lamb, Kerridge...

Big call on Wright.
Been in our best for two years. Genuine hard nut goalkicker. Not sure pickett is ready just yet to kick him out.
Having said that, places in next year's team are going to be at a premium. About time.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
This is what I hope to see.

Byrne Jones Weitering
Plowman Marchbank Docherty
Simpson Cripps Murphy
Petrovski-Seton Curnow Pickett
Lang Silvagni Casboult
Kruezer Kennedy E.Curnow(?)
Fisher Cunningham Williamson Polson
Emerg: McKay Macreade Pick3
* hope Kerr, LeBois Pick10 keep pushing
This should be the core group as much as possible now!!!

Depth players, only if needed - such as Wright, Thomas, Lamb, Kerridge...

Big call on Wright.
Been in our best for two years. Genuine hard nut goalkicker. Not sure pickett is ready just yet to kick him out.
Having said that, places in next year's team are going to be at a premium. About time.



6th in the B&F for the past 2 years and 30 goals in a weak forward line. Surely with a better forward line and better entries he gets more space and opportunity?

WTF would I know I'm just a history website!

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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..Wright can also rotate through the middle..

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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B: Simpson Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Plowman
C: Thomas Cripps Petrevski-Seton
HF: Wright Casboult Murphy
F: Silvagni Curnow Pickett
R: Kreuzer Curnow Kennedy

INT: Byrne Cuningham Williamson Fisher

E: Kerridge Lamb McKay Silvagni


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 Post subject: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:50 am 
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Kouta wrote:
B: Simpson Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Plowman
C: Thomas Cripps Petrevski-Seton
HF: Wright Casboult Murphy
F: Silvagni Curnow Pickett
R: Kreuzer Curnow Kennedy

INT: Byrne Cuningham Williamson Fisher

E: Kerridge Lamb McKay Silvagni


Jesus that’s an ordinary team.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Fortunately this is now getting hard to do (for the right reasons)...

B: Byrne Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Plowman
C: Petrevski-Seton Cripps Williamson
HF: Wright Casboult Pickett
F: Silvagni Curnow Lamb
R: Kreuzer Curnow Murphy

INT: Simpson Cuningham Kennedy Fisher

E: Rayner Thomas McKay

I think for H to come in Levi or SoSoS would have to make way otherwise we're too top heavy

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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GodisNavyBlue wrote:
Fortunately this is now getting hard to do (for the right reasons)...

B: Byrne Jones Marchbank
HB: Docherty Weitering Plowman
C: Petrevski-Seton Cripps Williamson
HF: Wright Casboult Pickett
F: Silvagni Curnow Lamb
R: Kreuzer Curnow Murphy

INT: Simpson Cuningham Kennedy Fisher

E: Rayner Thomas McKay

I think for H to come in Levi or SoSoS would have to make way otherwise we're too top heavy


I would be happy for Jones, Weitering, Plow and Marchbank to fight it out for 3 spots. 2 even. Slot in another running defender or two.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:03 am 
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There's 3 parts to our game: Defence (sorted), Midfield (developing and bolstering) and Forwards (developing and in need for more quaity supply).

With one more preseason ahead of this developing group, no doubt the focus will be on bolstering our midfield group, and improving our scoring power. The norm is to sort out the spine first and work from there, but we have a plethora of talls and a push by the coach for versality/swingmen. Lets look at them ie what we have.

We have a few KP players we can swap around but we can't play them all despite the quality.
Last year we saw Marchbank on a wing, Weitering forward, Silvagni at HB, C.Curnow in the ruck.
Talk about veratility.

I expect the revelation, Jones, to continue his form to hold FB and improve (learn from Buddy game).
A.Silvagni proved to be a class and reliable CHB, and consider him to be No. 1 CHB if we are playing to win round 1.
If so, Weitering would play CHF.

The big questions I have regarding our KP stocks.

Is Lobbe to be the KP 2nd ruck in preference to Casboult who did kick over 30 goals? Casboult becomes depth?
Does Curnow trump both Lobbe and Casboult as the forward/ relieving ruckman for Kreuzer?
Will McKay have a great preseason and given time to develop as a leading forward in the seniors?
Macreadie is the natural replacement for Jones, when Rowe and Silvagni hang the boots. Will he play much in 2018?
Kerr's game looked sound in the VFL for a first year kid. Will he be given a taste in the seniors this year?
Can McKay and Kerr become the main targets in our forwardline? Will Ben Silvagni bump one of them out?

We the option above we seem to have enough KP stocks, with or without Lynch, and we just have to win the contested ball in the midfield and work it forward to create opportunities and put it in the hands of bona fide goal kickers.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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bondiblue wrote:
There's 3 parts to our game: Defence (sorted), Midfield (developing and bolstering) and Forwards (developing and in need for more quaity supply).

With one more preseason ahead of this developing group, no doubt the focus will be on bolstering our midfield group, and improving our scoring power. The norm is to sort out the spine first and work from there, but we have a plethora of talls and a push by the coach for versality/swingmen. Lets look at them ie what we have.

We have a few KP players we can swap around but we can't play them all despite the quality.
Last year we saw Marchbank on a wing, Weitering forward, Silvagni at HB, C.Curnow in the ruck.
Talk about veratility.

I expect the revelation, Jones, to continue his form to hold FB and improve (learn from Buddy game).
A.Silvagni proved to be a class and reliable CHB, and consider him to be No. 1 CHB if we are playing to win round 1.
If so, Weitering would play CHF.

The big questions I have regarding our KP stocks.

Is Lobbe to be the KP 2nd ruck in preference to Casboult who did kick over 30 goals? Casboult becomes depth?
Does Curnow trump both Lobbe and Casboult as the forward/ relieving ruckman for Kreuzer?
Will McKay have a great preseason and given time to develop as a leading forward in the seniors?
Macreadie is the natural replacement for Jones, when Rowe and Silvagni hang the boots. Will he play much in 2018?
Kerr's game looked sound in the VFL for a first year kid. Will he be given a taste in the seniors this year?
Can McKay and Kerr become the main targets in our forwardline? Will Ben Silvagni bump one of them out?

We the option above we seem to have enough KP stocks, with or without Lynch, and we just have to win the contested ball in the midfield and work it forward to create opportunities and put it in the hands of bona fide goal kickers.

Geez, Bondi, I thought you were going to resolve all our present and future issues but all you did is ask questions there is no answer to.
One thing we seriously need to do is improve our delivery. Time after time we lock the footy in our forward line and in our half to concede a goal against the run of play because of a run and carry through the midfield and a pass to a forward leading at the ball or into a hole created for him by people getting the hell out of the way.
To my way of thinking, the midfield is the key. yes, we need to get the clearances as you said towards the end BUT we have to use them better. Getting a class clearance and then bombing it to a contest in the hope we will get a chaos goal is NOT the way to go about things. Better forward setup to go with a more organized midfield is the answer.
I see Casboult being the one to drop out in due course. Richmond used Grigg as a backup ruckman in the GF. He didn't get a hitout but he just jumped for the ball and made the opposition ruck work a bit. Perhaps Charlie will be the one. I hope he plays more in the midfield and he is big enough to compete at stoppages even if he doesn't get the hit.
Great times ahead and some of our current favourites are going to have to fight for their positions and one of them is Jack Silvagni who is a great competitor and the family jewel BUT he has a lot of work to do to stay in our first 22.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:41 am 
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SMFH you don't put a C.Curnow in the ruck where opp ruckman can smash into him and run straight through him, Richmond use Grigg because he's expendable ffs.

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SMFH you don't put a C.Curnow in the ruck where opp ruckman can smash into him and run straight through him, Richmond use Grigg because he's expendable ffs.
Exactly.
We made that mistake with Kouta all those years ago and Johnston went straight at the knee.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:34 am 
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SMFH you don't put a C.Curnow in the ruck where opp ruckman can smash into him and run straight through him, Richmond use Grigg because he's expendable ffs.


I don"t make those decisions Smithy.
I just stated as a fact to discuss. Bolts HAS put Curnow in the ruck. Its not a revelation.

Grigg went in half arsed in the ruck in the 2nd half of the season so the Tigers didnt have to 'carry' a 2nd ruck. Hios job was to get in the way of the rucks run up/ approach and nullify the advantage.
Grigg didnt and hasnt received a bruise from ruckwork.
Also, the tactic was helpful in their qiest for the 2017 Premiership Flag: that's what its all about.

We dont have to.

The ruck role has changed somewhat, and the centre circle tamed the role too.

Food for thought.

I'm trying to work out what we are likely to do with all these big boys we have amassed and roles players are being exposed to, and to get other posters' opinions. Thanks.

FYI its no secret Bolton actively promotes versatility. I think it shows signs of what's in stall in our game plan and tactic we will see a lot of in the finals....one day.

Totally agree we shouldnt put a C.Curnow in the ruck for opposition ruckmen to smash into him, but there may be other games at play. Curnow didnt get injured either playing in the ruck this year. He didn't even put himself in harms way.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Yeah understood mate, I really don't mean to come across a c### it's just my nature lol, I'm glad someone is thinking about these things and why Richmond were successful by trying different methods and playing to their strengths.

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Rexy wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-21/best-22-how-your-club-could-line-up-in-2018

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B: Kade Simpson, Liam Jones, Caleb Marchbank
HB: Sam Docherty, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
C: Dale Thomas, Patrick Cripps, Darcy Lang
HF: Matthew Wright, Levi Casboult, Matthew Kennedy
F: Jack Silvagni, Charlie Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy
INT: Ciaran Byrne, David Cuningham, Jarrod Pickett, Alex Silvagni

NOTES: Midfielders Patrick Cripps and Ed Curnow were sadly missed towards the end of this season because of injury and their return will be welcomed. While Bryce Gibbs’ defection to the Crows will hurt in the short term, the Blues have added much-needed depth to their midfield with the inclusion of ex-Giant Matthew Kennedy and former Cat Darcy Lang, who should go straight into their best combination. Scoring enough goals has been Carlton’s biggest problem for a while and a priority for Brendon Bolton in 2018 will be finding the right combination in the forward half. The Blues have two first-round picks in next month’s NAB AFL Draft and are set to add at least one more young midfielder/defender.


NOT CONSIDERED: Andrew Phillips (foot – TBC), Sam Rowe (ACL – hopes to be back mid-season)

REMAINING SENIOR LIST: Blaine Boekhorst, Zac Fisher, Nick Graham, Patrick Kerr, Sam Kerridge, Jed Lamb, Matthew Lobbe, Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Cameron Polson, Billie Smedts, Simon White, Tom Williamson.

REMAINING ROOKIE LIST: Jesse Glass-McCasker, Kym Lebois - Howard Kotton


If we have no injuries and Thomas is in the starting 22 then Bolton should be sakced.



Spot on, if Thomas is played ahead of Polson next season I will be livid.

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A lot of our kids are still quite young and in their development stage, need to protect them. I'll let Bolts be the judge if that.

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