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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:31 pm 
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List balance looks far better if Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield can get their hands dirty to win the hard ball and feed it out to Dow, Walsh and Fisher.


And SPS. Hoping we can see a bit more flair from him next season.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:47 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Kouta wrote:
List balance looks far better if Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield can get their hands dirty to win the hard ball and feed it out to Dow, Walsh and Fisher.


And SPS. Hoping we can see a bit more flair from him next season.

We need a young ruck so we can play the kids...

B: Plowman Weitering Williamson
HB: Docherty Marchbank O’Brien
C: Fisher Kennedy Petrevski-Seton
HF: Polson Curnow Pickett
F: McGovern McKay Silvagni
R: De Koning Cripps Dow

I: Macreadie Setterfield Walsh Cuningham

E: Graham Schumacher Lang Garlett Kerr

I give SOS a tick for bringing in youth.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:42 am 
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Kouta wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Kouta wrote:
List balance looks far better if Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield can get their hands dirty to win the hard ball and feed it out to Dow, Walsh and Fisher.


And SPS. Hoping we can see a bit more flair from him next season.

We need a young ruck so we can play the kids...

B: Plowman Weitering Williamson
HB: Docherty Marchbank O’Brien
C: Fisher Kennedy Petrevski-Seton
HF: Polson Curnow Pickett
F: McGovern McKay Silvagni
R: De Koning Cripps Dow

I: Macreadie Setterfield Walsh Cuningham

E: Graham Schumacher Lang Garlett Kerr

I give SOS a tick for bringing in youth.


You'd destroy TDK and probably McKay too. Need at least one mature body in the ruck - Kreuzer/Lobbe at a pinch Phillips and unless you are confident that one will play nearly 100% game time leaving only minimal chop out for the back-up ruck then perhaps one of Jones/Rowe/Casboult to do the relief ruck - all of them can contribute when not in the ruck and better ruck options than McKay/TDK at their current stage of physical development.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:20 pm 
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ianh wrote:
Kouta wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Kouta wrote:
List balance looks far better if Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield can get their hands dirty to win the hard ball and feed it out to Dow, Walsh and Fisher.


And SPS. Hoping we can see a bit more flair from him next season.

We need a young ruck so we can play the kids...

B: Plowman Weitering Williamson
HB: Docherty Marchbank O’Brien
C: Fisher Kennedy Petrevski-Seton
HF: Polson Curnow Pickett
F: McGovern McKay Silvagni
R: De Koning Cripps Dow

I: Macreadie Setterfield Walsh Cuningham

E: Graham Schumacher Lang Garlett Kerr

I give SOS a tick for bringing in youth.


You'd destroy TDK and probably McKay too. Need at least one mature body in the ruck - Kreuzer/Lobbe at a pinch Phillips and unless you are confident that one will play nearly 100% game time leaving only minimal chop out for the back-up ruck then perhaps one of Jones/Rowe/Casboult to do the relief ruck - all of them can contribute when not in the ruck and better ruck options than McKay/TDK at their current stage of physical development.

If the game is going to be as open and fast as the AFL (Hocking) is touting, Kreuzer won't cut it. Jones, on the other hand, is bloody fast, has an enormous spring and best of all, has a huge tank.
He's my new first pick as backup ruck or maybe even #1 ruck if he turns out OK.
Time for him to re-re-invent himself.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:15 pm 
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I like the teams but surprised at the complete fall from grace for Liam jones. Whilst he was exposed at the start of the year he was being touted this time last year as potential AA material. Is there any hope that when the team is able to play better around him (fit doc, marchbank) then he can play to his strengths and be what we saw at the 2nd half of 2017?
Or is more "play the kids"...


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:39 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
ianh wrote:
Kouta wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Kouta wrote:
List balance looks far better if Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield can get their hands dirty to win the hard ball and feed it out to Dow, Walsh and Fisher.


And SPS. Hoping we can see a bit more flair from him next season.

We need a young ruck so we can play the kids...

B: Plowman Weitering Williamson
HB: Docherty Marchbank O’Brien
C: Fisher Kennedy Petrevski-Seton
HF: Polson Curnow Pickett
F: McGovern McKay Silvagni
R: De Koning Cripps Dow

I: Macreadie Setterfield Walsh Cuningham

E: Graham Schumacher Lang Garlett Kerr

I give SOS a tick for bringing in youth.


You'd destroy TDK and probably McKay too. Need at least one mature body in the ruck - Kreuzer/Lobbe at a pinch Phillips and unless you are confident that one will play nearly 100% game time leaving only minimal chop out for the back-up ruck then perhaps one of Jones/Rowe/Casboult to do the relief ruck - all of them can contribute when not in the ruck and better ruck options than McKay/TDK at their current stage of physical development.

If the game is going to be as open and fast as the AFL (Hocking) is touting, Kreuzer won't cut it. Jones, on the other hand, is bloody fast, has an enormous spring and best of all, has a huge tank.
He's my new first pick as backup ruck or maybe even #1 ruck if he turns out OK.
Time for him to re-re-invent himself.


BS. Did you say Jones has a huge tank?? Is it another Jones other than Liam?

Yes very good closing speed but huge tank? Nah

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
ianh wrote:
Kouta wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Kouta wrote:
List balance looks far better if Kennedy, Cripps and Setterfield can get their hands dirty to win the hard ball and feed it out to Dow, Walsh and Fisher.


Double post

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Hoping Schumacher and Macreadie can put some pressure on our 1st choice defenders. It could give us real currency next year.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:51 pm 
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B. Pickett Weitering Williamson

HB. Docherty Jones Simpson

C. SPS Cripps Fisher

HF. McGovern Curnow Walsh

F. Polson McKay Garlett

R. Kruezer Murphy Kennedy

I.C Dow E.Curnow Setterfield Marchbank/McCreadie

Comments- No more stupidly tall sides - Time to move on from Rowe/Daisy/Kerridge/Graham, use only in emergency.

Pickett license to run from h/b, want him fit as his ever been and working on core strength to break tackles. He should be making Neville Jetta look like Oakley-Nicholls, no more ##### about.

McGovern rotating with Curnow in a floating outside the contest midfield role and CHF role. Walsh playing outside mid from h/f don't want him getting banged up inside the contest in his first year.

Hardest spot to fill is small forwards, battle between Garlett Fasolo Lang.

Plowman Marchbank would want to show a lot more strength/commitment and desperation in the contest.

Cover against 3 tall FWD line with Marchy/Mcreadie in side, can also rotate Jones as floating spare against 2 tall FWD line with one of those two on the ground for a small, Jones plays his best football in that role and is a real weapon.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:08 pm 
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Hope Willo is back, sounds like Byrne wont be

B: Marchbank Jones Williamson
HB: Docherty Weitering Simo
C: Murphy Cripps O'Brien
HF: Setterfield Curnow Fisher
F: McGovern McKay Fasolo
R: Kreuzer Kennedy Dow

I: Plowman E Curnow SPS Walsh

Emg from Pickett Daisy JSOS Cunningham TDK Lang Schumacher Polson


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:38 pm 
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What everyone is counting on of course is a FIT side. Russell come on down. On paper it all looks good.


A player no one has mentioned is Lamb. Last few games this year he was consistently one of our best in the back pocket where he may have finally found his position. In a tall backline he is an element of difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Why does everybody have Kreuzer in their best 22?
He's cooked as a ruckman.
He's the opposite from Gawn, Grundy, Natanui, Ryder and even Witts who get aroundthe ground, takelots of marget lots of hit outs to advantage.
IMO he will struggle to give our mids a decent chance at centre bounces. of which there are about 30 a game. His best work is the followup, bullocking, move the ball forward in the crowd, which is exactly the part of the game the AFL are desperate to get rid of.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:17 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Why does everybody have Kreuzer in their best 22?
He's cooked as a ruckman.
He's the opposite from Gawn, Grundy, Natanui, Ryder and even Witts who get aroundthe ground, takelots of marget lots of hit outs to advantage.
IMO he will struggle to give our mids a decent chance at centre bounces. of which there are about 30 a game. His best work is the followup, bullocking, move the ball forward in the crowd, which is exactly the part of the game the AFL are desperate to get rid of.


Mostly agree, however he was the best ruck in the game last year . Better question is why is Plowman and to a lesser extent Marchbank in almost everyone's 22.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Why does everybody have Kreuzer in their best 22?
He's cooked as a ruckman.
He's the opposite from Gawn, Grundy, Natanui, Ryder and even Witts who get aroundthe ground, takelots of marget lots of hit outs to advantage.
IMO he will struggle to give our mids a decent chance at centre bounces. of which there are about 30 a game. His best work is the followup, bullocking, move the ball forward in the crowd, which is exactly the part of the game the AFL are desperate to get rid of.

We'd have been an ideal option for Brayden Preuss, so why we or he didn't pursue a trade is baffling.

I think Lobbe will be our #1 (at least when Kreuz inevitably is out of the team injured) but TDK and Harry will get stints. Ultimately I hope TDK can build the strength to be starting ruck, and from what I've heard about Lobbe, he's a great teacher and mentor who can help prepare him.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Better question is why is Plowman and to a lesser extent Marchbank in almost everyone's 22.


Probably because they're 2 of our better defenders.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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smithy wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Why does everybody have Kreuzer in their best 22?
He's cooked as a ruckman.
He's the opposite from Gawn, Grundy, Natanui, Ryder and even Witts who get aroundthe ground, takelots of marget lots of hit outs to advantage.
IMO he will struggle to give our mids a decent chance at centre bounces. of which there are about 30 a game. His best work is the followup, bullocking, move the ball forward in the crowd, which is exactly the part of the game the AFL are desperate to get rid of.


Mostly agree, however he was the best ruck in the game last year . Better question is why is Plowman and to a lesser extent Marchbank in almost everyone's 22.
Better question is who're in your best 22 that are better than Plowman and Marchbank?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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moshe25 wrote:
smithy wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Why does everybody have Kreuzer in their best 22?
He's cooked as a ruckman.
He's the opposite from Gawn, Grundy, Natanui, Ryder and even Witts who get aroundthe ground, takelots of marget lots of hit outs to advantage.
IMO he will struggle to give our mids a decent chance at centre bounces. of which there are about 30 a game. His best work is the followup, bullocking, move the ball forward in the crowd, which is exactly the part of the game the AFL are desperate to get rid of.


Mostly agree, however he was the best ruck in the game last year . Better question is why is Plowman and to a lesser extent Marchbank in almost everyone's 22.
Better question is who're in your best 22 that are better than Plowman and Marchbank?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Blue Vain wrote:
smithy wrote:
Better question is why is Plowman and to a lesser extent Marchbank in almost everyone's 22.


Probably because they're 2 of our better defenders.


In a side that won 2 games.

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How many would we have won without them?

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smithy wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
smithy wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Why does everybody have Kreuzer in their best 22?
He's cooked as a ruckman.
He's the opposite from Gawn, Grundy, Natanui, Ryder and even Witts who get aroundthe ground, takelots of marget lots of hit outs to advantage.
IMO he will struggle to give our mids a decent chance at centre bounces. of which there are about 30 a game. His best work is the followup, bullocking, move the ball forward in the crowd, which is exactly the part of the game the AFL are desperate to get rid of.


Mostly agree, however he was the best ruck in the game last year . Better question is why is Plowman and to a lesser extent Marchbank in almost everyone's 22.
Better question is who're in your best 22 that are better than Plowman and Marchbank?

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Scroll up and see.
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