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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:00 pm 
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Depends on the player somewhat I suppose I'm of the opinion you need to give them a taste early provided they show some form at VFL level, but let's be honest you don't lose much at all by playing Polson over Thomas, He is a solid kid Polson he'll be fine. Not sure I subscribe to this theory of protecting the young players, it becomes counter productive; because you can get too protective of them and really stunt their development.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:22 pm 
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B: Byrne Jones Weitering
HB: Docherty Marchbank Simpson
C: Murphy Cripps Petrevski-Seton
HF: Lang Casboult Wright
F: #3Rayner? Curnow Pickett
R: Kreuzer Kennedy Cuningham
Int: Fisher Williamson E Curnow Plowman

B: Glass-McCasker Rowe #73Penrith?
HB: Macreadie Silvagni Mullett
C: #30Kelly? Kerridge #10Clark?
HF: J Silvagni McKay Thomas
F: LeBois Kerr Lamb
R: Lobbe Graham Polson
Int: Phillips

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:27 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
There's 3 parts to our game: Defence (sorted), Midfield (developing and bolstering) and Forwards (developing and in need for more quaity supply).

With one more preseason ahead of this developing group, no doubt the focus will be on bolstering our midfield group, and improving our scoring power. The norm is to sort out the spine first and work from there, but we have a plethora of talls and a push by the coach for versality/swingmen. Lets look at them ie what we have.

We have a few KP players we can swap around but we can't play them all despite the quality.
Last year we saw Marchbank on a wing, Weitering forward, Silvagni at HB, C.Curnow in the ruck.
Talk about veratility.

I expect the revelation, Jones, to continue his form to hold FB and improve (learn from Buddy game).
A.Silvagni proved to be a class and reliable CHB, and consider him to be No. 1 CHB if we are playing to win round 1.
If so, Weitering would play CHF.

The big questions I have regarding our KP stocks.

Is Lobbe to be the KP 2nd ruck in preference to Casboult who did kick over 30 goals? Casboult becomes depth?
Does Curnow trump both Lobbe and Casboult as the forward/ relieving ruckman for Kreuzer?
Will McKay have a great preseason and given time to develop as a leading forward in the seniors?
Macreadie is the natural replacement for Jones, when Rowe and Silvagni hang the boots. Will he play much in 2018?
Kerr's game looked sound in the VFL for a first year kid. Will he be given a taste in the seniors this year?
Can McKay and Kerr become the main targets in our forwardline? Will Ben Silvagni bump one of them out?

We the option above we seem to have enough KP stocks, with or without Lynch, and we just have to win the contested ball in the midfield and work it forward to create opportunities and put it in the hands of bona fide goal kickers.

Geez, Bondi, I thought you were going to resolve all our present and future issues but all you did is ask questions there is no answer to.
One thing we seriously need to do is improve our delivery. Time after time we lock the footy in our forward line and in our half to concede a goal against the run of play because of a run and carry through the midfield and a pass to a forward leading at the ball or into a hole created for him by people getting the hell out of the way.
To my way of thinking, the midfield is the key. yes, we need to get the clearances as you said towards the end BUT we have to use them better. Getting a class clearance and then bombing it to a contest in the hope we will get a chaos goal is NOT the way to go about things. Better forward setup to go with a more organized midfield is the answer.
I see Casboult being the one to drop out in due course. Richmond used Grigg as a backup ruckman in the GF. He didn't get a hitout but he just jumped for the ball and made the opposition ruck work a bit. Perhaps Charlie will be the one. I hope he plays more in the midfield and he is big enough to compete at stoppages even if he doesn't get the hit.
Great times ahead and some of our current favourites are going to have to fight for their positions and one of them is Jack Silvagni who is a great competitor and the family jewel BUT he has a lot of work to do to stay in our first 22.


Ha! Somehow missed this post BS.

I've got my views on the current list.
Its obvious we have plenty of quality KP/tall players.
It's obvious BB's mantra for versatlity.
It's obvious we have a very very young list in need for exposure and development.

I agree midfield is the key, and I am mindful the wheels fell off due to a lack of depth when we lost Cripps then Curnow.
They are back along with Kennedy and Lang to replace Gibbs.
Fisher SPS Cuningham Polson Pickett need time in the middle, and they will add value to our midfield.
I am sure we will take 3 quality mids with picks 3, 10 and 30.
Kerridge, Thomas, Lamb, ASOS and yes, Wright, may all become good depth players in 2018.
They will play a significant role as the kids develop....and tire.
So I'm bullish about our prospects with the midfield.

2018 is the time to start working our way forward to give our forwards the best chance to score goals.

What I am thinking is that Lobbe wasn't traded for just to make up numbers.
I think Lobbe poses a huge threat to Casboult despite his 30 goal season.
I can see McKay given 15 games in 2018, to help him expedite his development.
Lobbe and McKay as our KP size players forward?
Silvagni and Curnow our mobile talls?

Then there's the FA at the end of 2018 we will target....Lynch or Shiel?
We may not need / desperate for Lynch given we will have Ben Silvagni coming in too.
We don't need a super tall forwardline, just a couple of big targets. Who?

Against that backdrop, I feel we will continue to add class to our midfield group next Trade/Draft/FA season and that will set us up for sustained success.

I feel we are ready to compete after this next preseason.
I'm really bullish about our list.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:13 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
B. Plowman Weitering Marchbank
HB. Williamson Jones Byrne
C. Simpson Docherty Murphy
HF. Pickett CCurnow Fisher
F. Wright McKay Silvagni

R. Kreuzer Cripps SPS

I. Cuningham Kennedy ECurnow Pick3

EMG: Lang Pick10 Phillips


still looks good with Doch out :thumbsup:


B. Plowman Jones Weitering
HB. Williamson Marchbank Byrne
C. Simpson Murphy Lang
HF. Pickett CCurnow Fisher
F. Wright McKay Silvagni

R. Kreuzer Cripps SPS

I. Cuningham Kennedy ECurnow Pick3

EMG: ASilvagni Pick10 Phillips


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:21 pm 
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I like Willo and Byrne but think given DOC is out Mullet must play in my view the doc type role - wont be as effective but I think will slot in -whilst supporting Gibbs trade - doc injury - means we are without in my view our best 2 players from 2017 in 2018 which is a big blow - yes I know Murph won best and fairest


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:31 pm 
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Sin City wrote:
Plowman Jones Marchbank
Docherty Weitering Byrne Williamson
Simpson Cripps SPS
Pickett C Curnow Silvagni
Wright Casboult
Kreuzer Kennedy Murphy
Cuningham Fisher E Curnow Pick 3
EMG: McKay Pick 10 Kerridge

Guess it'll look like this for 2018

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Simpson Weitering Byrne Williamson
Mullett Cripps SPS
Pickett C Curnow Silvagni
Wright Casboult
Kreuzer Kennedy Murphy
Cuningham Fisher E Curnow Pick 3
EMG: McKay Pick 10 Kerridge

McKay will probably take over from Levi in 2019 but isn't quite ready yet, will still get a game any time one of the other three tall forwards are out.

Pick 10 will most likely be a quality medium player and will get plenty of games, Bolton has been keen to throw the talented youngsters in ASAP.

Kerridge is actually pretty good depth, had a strong finish to 2017.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:52 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
I like Willo and Byrne but think given DOC is out Mullet must play in my view the doc type role - wont be as effective but I think will slot in -whilst supporting Gibbs trade - doc injury - means we are without in my view our best 2 players from 2017 in 2018 which is a big blow - yes I know Murph won best and fairest


I think Cam O’Shea is the perfect replacement for docs off half back


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:04 pm 
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Think Thomas might spend some time across HB


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:59 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
I like Willo and Byrne but think given DOC is out Mullet must play in my view the doc type role - wont be as effective but I think will slot in -whilst supporting Gibbs trade - doc injury - means we are without in my view our best 2 players from 2017 in 2018 which is a big blow - yes I know Murph won best and fairest


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:24 am 
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trublu wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
I like Willo and Byrne but think given DOC is out Mullet must play in my view the doc type role - wont be as effective but I think will slot in -whilst supporting Gibbs trade - doc injury - means we are without in my view our best 2 players from 2017 in 2018 which is a big blow - yes I know Murph won best and fairest


I think Cam O’Shea is the perfect replacement for docs off half back


Perhaps, but Cam is a taller type despite having plenty of mobility and his disposal can let him down. What do people know of Matt Shaw ex-GCS who I see we have training with us? Decent size for a hb/w and over 110 games experience, what's the knock on him?


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 Post subject: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:35 am 
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Byrne is the like for like replacement IMO. Both give good rebound and intercept marking. Doc obviously brings more in terms of leadership.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:59 am 
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The Normal One wrote:
Byrne is the like for like replacement IMO. Both give good rebound and intercept marking. Doc obviously brings more in terms of leadership.


Byrne will be great if he can only stay injury free.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:29 am 
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I'd have thought Byrne was part of the back 6 or 7 when injury free regardless.

Docs injury should be used to get more game time into Macreadie and Williamson back there.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:41 pm 
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B. Plowman Jones Weitering
HB. Williamson Marchbank Byrne
C. Simpson Murphy Lang
HF. Pickett CCurnow Fisher
F. Wright McKay Silvagni

R. Kreuzer Cripps SPS

I. Cuningham Kennedy ECurnow Dow

EMG: ASilvagni Polson Phillips


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:59 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
B. Plowman Jones Weitering
HB. Williamson Marchbank Byrne
C. Simpson Murphy Lang
HF. Pickett CCurnow Fisher
F. Wright McKay Silvagni

R. Kreuzer Cripps SPS

I. Cuningham Kennedy ECurnow Dow


NB's

B. A.Silvagni Glass-McCasker Macreadie
HB. Schumacher Rowe Mullett
C. Garlett Graham O'Brien
HF. Lamb Casboult Thomas
F. Lobbe Kerr LeBois

R. Phillips Kerridge Polson

I. DeKoning McDaid rookie rookie


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:16 pm 
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Good best 22 Rexy but ATM Casboult must be in


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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frank dardew wrote:
Good best 22 Rexy but ATM Casboult must be in


in place of who frank ?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 2:32 pm 
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Weitering Marchbank Plowman
Simpson Jones Byrne
Petrevski-Seton Cripps Curnow
Wright Curnow Silvagni
Dow Casboult Pickett
Kreuzer Kennedy Murphy

Mullett Williamson Fisher Cuningham

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Byrne Jones Weitering
Plowman Marchbank Mullet
Petrovski-Seton Cripps Simpson
CCurnow Casboult Lang
McKay Silvagni Pickett
Kruezer Kennedy Murphy
Williamson Fisher Dow Garlett


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:32 pm 
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Rexy McKay is promising but isn't at Casboults level

In my view whilst sometimes frustrating had a good year in 2017
Is really important in a young team
Will be delighted in 2018 if he goes past casboult but isn't near him at the moment in my view


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