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Big Bad Bill's hypotheticals - Would you trade Carrazzo?
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Author:  bigbadbill [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:29 am ]
Post subject:  Big Bad Bill's hypotheticals - Would you trade Carrazzo?
Over the past few years at the trade table we have been very inactive where in some ways we didnt take advantage of the " peak price" of some of our established players and trade them in for something possibly better. The name Lance Whitnall comes to mind where we were offered pick 9 and 25 from St Kilda but didnt take it!
Dont get me wrong there is always some risk attached to this and it doesn't always work out but when it does it can reap big rewards.

When we have drafted over the last few years we have mainly focused on our Midfield and Ruck division, this is where our marquee signings have come from Judd, Murphy, Gibbs etc With this is feel that our defence and forward line have been a bit neglected.

So here is my hypothetical.......... the Blues have a Ok year, we win 7 games almost double what we won the previous year. The side had matured in most areas and we have uncovered a few gems, but our backline is still pretty average. Mr Carazzo has a pretty good year and poles well in our B and F he comes 3rd in fact. The Blues at the draft get pick 5 and 21 in a strong draft........... Currently as most draft fanatics will tell you the 3 main front runners are Natanui a ruckman, Rich a midfielder and Hurley a defender.

So here it is "would you trade Carazzo and pick 5 as part of a deal to obtain a pick 3 to get a gun up and coming KPP player ( Hurley)?

I would like something also part of this deal but for the sake of this scenario its a moot point. Eg Carazzo and pick 5 for pick 3 and 25- effectively we take pick 3, 21 and 25 to the draft table in a strong draft.

To me Hurley is the man we need and i hope to god he slides a bit so we can win a few more games than last year so we can have our cake and eat it too. defenders dont have that "sex appeal" like a midfielder or top forward do, they are kinda "work man like". Obtaining him gives us quality on every line and he along with Jamo are the Cornerstones to build our defence on.

Carazzo is a workman like player but for some reason gets big wraps cos he gets the ball heaps but turnes it over a aweful lot, to me right now he is at Peak value and we must maximise he value by filling another gap on our list. His disposal hasn't improved and in a few years he will be phased our by other more skillfull players that we have on our list and ones that are yet to be drafted.


I know i have put the Cat amongst the pigeons but come on Blues show some Cahones!

Thoughts.................

3B
Author:  JohnM [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:38 am ]
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Too hypothetical at this stage.

Ask again when these draft prospects have gone through another year of development in 2008.

Besides, it's not as simple as that. Hawthorn didn't have to trade up their No.5 pick to get Franklin. But in hindsight, you'd have him as your No.1 right now.
Author:  kingkerna [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:42 am ]
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I hope he is still improving, if he can work on those loopy/too high handballs he does he will be fine.
Author:  bigbadbill [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:46 am ]
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kingkerna wrote:
I hope he is still improving, if he can work on those loopy/too high handballs he does he will be fine.
the thing is KingKerna that players stop developing after a certain time and to me he has peaked! He wont get any better at the age of 25, he has to deconstruct that loopy kicking style that he has and go back to Auskick and learn how to put it lackes out on a player chest not a foot and a half above their heads.

3B
Author:  blu944 [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:50 am ]
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We've been fortunate enough to find ourselves with the best midfielder in the game coming to our club. But we would be wasting that opportunity if we start taking mature bodies out of the midfield. Carrazzo will never be a great kick but he'll offer the midfield so much more than a kid by the way he tackles, blocks and gets the ball out. You have to remember Judd is ready to go and we've already got a young team around him, it's time to develop these kids rather than inject more kids at the expense of senior contributors. Just keep using the picks we get and we'll be right.

You also have to remember that typically you get the best value out of a trade by offering up young but mature blokes who can handle a key post. If I were carlton, I'd be elevating Sam Jacobs to the senior list at the end of this year with a plan to trade him at the end of the 2009 season. Other than that it's difficult to see any attractive players who are superfluous


And the whole upgrading picks thing is useless. I would have happily had Myers instead of Kruez at #1 - and he went at 6
Author:  Big Kahuna Boot [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:02 pm ]
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..first and formost, carrots earned his B&F last yr, he works hard, runs all day.. ..and more importantly we have no real depth, to trade away a good player is nutsd cos we're not getting ahead..
Author:  The Tyrant [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:03 pm ]
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who the @#$%&! is Big Bad Bill?
Author:  CK95 [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:07 pm ]
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:Jill_Now_Bill:
Author:  Warby [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:30 pm ]
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bigbadbill wrote:
kingkerna wrote:
I hope he is still improving, if he can work on those loopy/too high handballs he does he will be fine.
the thing is KingKerna that players stop developing after a certain time and to me he has peaked! He wont get any better at the age of 25, he has to deconstruct that loopy kicking style that he has and go back to Auskick and learn how to put it lackes out on a player chest not a foot and a half above their heads.

3B


Sorry....that's not true....Rod Curly Austin was a terrible kick, who remained ungainly but became a highly effective kick as he matured.

Earl Spalding was a shocking kick for goal when he arrived at PP; but became a very accurate kick for goal in the second half of his CFC career......practice and tuition.
Author:  4thchicken [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:58 pm ]
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Cat amongst the pigeons? I'd trade Fev before I traded Carazzo.

Footballers generally continue to improve and generally peak around 26-28 so it would not be beyond the realms of possibility that carazzo would continue to improve.

Fev is already at the peak, isnt going to improve much, and most worryingly has accumulated a stack of injuries that are likely to slow him down in the next few years. Fev would also hold much greater market value than carazzo.

Furthermore, I dont see the justification of packaging carazzo/fev+pick 5 to move up a couple of spots on the draft list. You would be paying too much - a direct swap for an earlyish pick or 2nd round pick + player for top 12 pick on the otherhand is more appealing, paritcularly in a strong draft where you can get quite decent players midtable. Having said that though, I'd be loathe to trade either of them at this stage.
Author:  Elwood Blues1 [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:12 pm ]
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If you are trading up..then trade but I doubt if Carrazzo and Pick 5 would cut it for Pick 3.....more likely have to offer something more tasty like Simpson and pick 5 and that isnt on...
Author:  bigbadbill [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:42 pm ]
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The Tyrant wrote:
who the flower is Big Bad Bill?


How are you Mr Tyrant?

I have been reading post on here for about 5 years and i though i would see how the folks over at Tc would fair with something that i have down at CSC.

Good day!

ps

Is there a Big Bad Jill?

wtf is that about? Like in the movie Duce Bigelow " Thats a huge bitch!!"

3B
Author:  Nick [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:36 pm ]
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Where is the "No, he is not a gun but the trade you put up is flower shit (moving 2 spots up for Carrazzo???)" option?
Author:  true_blue3 [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:09 pm ]
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Nick wrote:
Where is the "No, he is not a gun but the trade you put up is flower shit (moving 2 spots up for Carrazzo???)" option?


i'll tick that one thanks...
Author:  dannyboy [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:17 pm ]
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bbb....hmmmm
Author:  Car17on [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:44 pm ]
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NO flower WAY
Author:  SparkyBlue [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:48 pm ]
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dannyboy wrote:
bbb....hmmmm


Isn't there a porn site around with those lette...

Oh shit, typing out loud again.


No to the trade - Carazzo for Judd, YES! Oh hang on, we've already got him... ok then no.
Author:  Car17on [ Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:23 pm ]
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nup sorry

The guy is a ball magnet and with a strong midfield around him he will continue to shine

Look at his stats over the last two years:averaged 25.9 disp last year, 20 in 2006, 15.7 in 2005 .. they were the Pagan Years, yet he still shone.

Now look at his stats for the last two games:24 disposals against Port, 28 against the Dorks .. what reason would there be for this trend to change?
Author:  HELLAS BLUE [ Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Bad Bill's hypotheticals - Would you trade Carrazzo?
bigbadbill wrote:
Carazzo is a workman like player but for some reason gets big wraps cos he gets the ball heaps but turnes it over a aweful lot, to me right now he is at Peak value and we must maximise he value by filling another gap on our list. His disposal hasn't improved and in a few years he will be phased our by other more skillfull players that we have on our list and ones that are yet to be drafted.


So one of the most improved players in the AFL has peaked? All of a sudden the steep curve has come to a halt without any more games to his name?? With 68 games of experience and a B & F it's all over....... time to trade him?? Tell me BBB, I am interested, just how have you come to this conclusion?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  Steve_C7 [ Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:04 am ]
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The guy bring allot more to Carlton than being a ball magnet. His leaderhsip, understanding of his inabilities and willingness to work is ar$e off to overcome those set an example for the younger kids coming through. I think that his disposal is reflective of the pagan era at our club where our skills in general were neglected. If his disposal was to improve to say Hoops level, then he could become a top ten midfielder in the comp....
I think we should start supporting our players, not trading them
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