Given Lance is out the door, Campo will drop to about $300,000 if that, and Kouta will go at the end of next year, we have money to burn. Who will earn the right to the next big contract of $500,000 - $600,000 come 2007?

I can only really see Fev, Thornton, Waite, Houla, Stevens or Teague based on current form being the recipients of such contracts, but probably only two or three of them at most...unless we offer big money for someone from another club.

It's sad to think whoever they are will be so hated in a couple of years.

Let's get Rhyce Shaw and pay him $500,000. I'd feel comfortable hating him.

Dal Santo! ..............I wish.

Why would u hate them..would you hate Riewoldt, Brown , Ball, Dal Santo, Tredrea??? ... got to be paid what youre worth... thats all...

Would you say no to Luke Ball or Chris Judd if they were coming for $500k???
Not many hate Stevo either...

You just hate the ones taking the mickey dont you??
Well dont you?????

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Oh, I wouldn't hate them, not the Carlton boys. In fact I wouldn't hate Ryhce Shaw either if he was playing for Carlton.

Plain and simple fact, unless we're winning premierships, whoever gets the big contracts will be villified. I find it sad that the guys I have mentioned who are most likely to land such contracts will soon be bagged, derided, smashed and shat upon by Carlton supporters. It will be sad watching the knives get stuck into Thornton in about five years time. I love that guy!

Thought Stevens was already on around $500k. I imagine Fev will go close to getting that next year but can see Synbad getting stuck into him every time he gets suspended, drops his head or doesn't kick at least 5 goals!

I'll get stuck into him too if he gets suspended or drops his head whilst collecting 1/2 a mill p/year I'll give ya the tip.

Yes Verbs I remember when we signed Kouta in 2000 thinking how great it was to sign the best player in the comp for another 5 years. Shame supporters criticise one of our all time greats because of his salary.

I think The Game should get POW this week for being the only person so-far to "get" this thread

Verbs, I see your point... but I'm curious as to your thoughts on WHY we seem to have a very low threshold for poor performance for our highest paid players?

(BTW, there was no "tone" in that question. I actually am just curious. I think you're right, by the way.... there has to be a correlation between $$ and supporter tolerance)

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I'm about to go for a bike ride, which will give me a chance to ponder your question.

It's a complex situation.

I've heard skiiing is much better exercise

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I think we should put everyone on a maximum $25,000.

That way we would know they are playing for the jumper and not just the money.

Well, they could get $20K from the club, and $200k from Telstra dome for being hosts at the Cougar bar. Thats allowed under the cap, isn't it?

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Quote of the day on Fox Footy, Freo v Pies:

On Paul Medhurst: "With legs like his, he could be a downhill skier".

True story.

Now, for your question Tyrant.

I don't really know WHY. I have a feeling a lot of it has to do with "the grass is greener" thought process, ie., that other clubs highly paid players are always brilliant, yet ours are crap. As I said, unless we are winning premierships, or at last consistantly finishing top four, the highest paid players are always going to be classed as underperforming.

It does seem however that Carlton and Richmond supporters turn on their players more than any of the other clubs. I can't speak for Richmond supporters, but as for Carlton supporters I think it may be because we are arrogant having had so much success in the past, and we don't take losing well, feeling the need to lash out.

Players are going to have high salaries wheather we win or lose. The dollars will never determine the outcome of a match, but unfortunately Carlton supporter tend to think there is a correlation...Elliot is probably to blame for this because Carlton once could buy champion players.

In reality, a Club needs to hold onto its better players if it is to be successful, and it does this by giving them attractive contracts. Look at Riewoldt. He is possibly the most damaging player going arond right now, thus he commands big dollars. That's how StKilda "insure" their investment in him. What he'll be like in five or six years time is a guessing game, but that's the nature of insurance. What if he breaks his collar bone again next week? And then when he does come back he struggles to lift his right arm above his head and can only go for marks one-handed. Will StKilda supporters be crying foul that he's paid too much?

Of the big three that are supposedly overpaid, one is 32 and the other is almost 30. Players like Riewoldt and Brown are 22. If they are on much the same as Campo and Kouta are now, what the hell are they going to be on when they're those guy's age?

And to drop Kouta, Campo and Whitnall from the cap will mean there will be at least three players on our squad who will command at least $500,000, and once they get those contracts they will come under just as much scrutiny, and as soon as things start to go wrong they will be the first to feel the wrath of a large number of Carlton supporters.

It's a round-and-round mentality of many Carlton supporters which will only be interrupted by a premiership, something wich no-one is anticipating anytime before the end of the decade. By then, our kids will be the older players, and as I said, it will be sad to see them being bagged if things aren't going to plan.

It works for Eddie/Ch 9!

"supporter tolerence' now there is an interesting concept.

In this whole contract debate, I heard absoloutly no one complain when Lance, Kouta and Campo signed thier contracts. Kouta was going to be the marketing face of the club and was deemed to be the driving force in what was considered a chance at a flag, well his knee wrecked all that. Campo was being congratulated for signing for less at Carlton than he was offered by Adelaide. Lance was being hailed as the proto type of the new breed of CHF, flexible, smart and a player that could bring others into the game, well two major injuries (inflicted by teammates by the way) put paid to that.

A few years ago we thought we were being oh so clever in the deals we did.......short memories.

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Heard that too Verbs

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Bluemark

I remember thinking how the hell can we pay these guys and stay under the cap.

I wondered how we would fit all them contracts under the salary cap also but then remembered that Campo had a filing job at Moody Graphics and worked it out. I thought we were quite clever to get away with it ...... but then we didnt. Half of us then blamed big jack and claimed we knew nothing about salary cap cheating. OOOOps i am going off the topic.

I agree with you Bluemark. The day kouta signed that contract was a very happy day form. I would have paid $100 a game to watch him play at the time.

All those contracts were Elliott contracts and the reasoning behind ridiculous contracts was backloading money under the table.. blah blah.. we never lose players at Carlton..

Assuming when these morons went to Elliott for ridiculous contracts he just said "Ok you two are on the market!!!.. were going to see what we can get for you!!! Freo has nice surf so pack your surfboards!!!" we probably could have had a Pavlich today... or a Judd.. if we shipped these blokes off like Hawthorn did Croad...

We would have still had Wells and Goddard because there would have been no reason to cheat the cap!!!

these guys and their managers can go @#$%&! themselves today as far as im concerned!!! Greedy greedy little pigs with their noses in the troft.. bad culture and need to be eradicated from the footy club if were going to go forwards...

1 million for Kouta x 5 years??? And you reckon we should have been doing hand stands ??
Whitnall stitched up for 4 or 5 years on mega bucks but cant even get himself fit??
Campo on the same sort of money as a Judd or a Voss?? More than Arkemanis???? more than Black??? Great deals were they????

Well if were shit today it serves you people right for self gratification that we never lose anyone at Carlton... cos if we made an example of one or two of them wed be a stronger club today...
Where the hell was a good little mummys boy Kouta going to go ???Sydney and lave his widowed mummy behind??? ...
... last little wog boy that ended up in Sydney cried till he was traded back to Collingwood to be wityh his mummy and brother..

these guys took this club for a ride.. and some of you watched them steal the car and youre still clapping..

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So how are you going to explain the next big contract then Synbad?