check this out. Talk about ripping into his former coach and leading a revolt! Never saw this coming from Kouta.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html

Must say, quite interesting what had happened in the background that led to that near sacking of Pagan back in 2006.

Go Kouta!!

I was interested to see Stevo named too.

His game plan did suck, but we have been over that a million times.

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I will miss you Kouta - thanks for the memories. ps. Kouta > * for ∞

In my eyes a pretty sad tale of mysfunction from many parts of the club.

The players thought they had more power than they should.

The football department thought they should ave more powert than tnhey should.

The admin do not know what the @#$%&! is going on.

... and the supporters are too [REDACTED] in the head to do anything.

No wonder it was a @#$%&! disaster!!!

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We've all read the juicy bits, so we don't need to buy the book.

The detailed revelations although damning for Pagan help the club AND SUPPORTERS put the past behind

Jars, it's a fair enough comment to say that the players thought they had more power than they should, but at the end of the day if everything is going south and the coach has lost the players (for obvious reasons), what should they do -- sit in silence. It is a sorry tale indeed but at least their actions may have been the impetus to a cleanout. The management style of denegrating subordinates to make a point is way outdated and even though it is a tough read, it is pretty hard to disagree with anything Kouta said.

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You could see that the players didn't want to play for him. He was a 1 man pony with Carey. Kick it to Carey. That was his only gameplan.

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"You're not gonna believe this. The guy killed 16 czechoslovakians. He was an interior decorator."

"His house looked like shit!"

IMHO, If the players have the right focus, then empowering players (just like empowering employees in business) is the best way to suceed. Football is a people business. The players are the product. If you don't give them power or a say in what happens then you have no hope of suceeding. 1995 was a great (and first real) example of the players leading themselves to a premiership. The coach needs to be make a decision on which players have the ability, but once the players are selected they should be given input into their own strengths, weaknesses, best positions, game plans, etc. And the best coaches are able to manage and faciliate that input and combine it with the coaches and MCs views. Obviously one man has to have final say (the coach), but the players need to feel that their views are considered. Pagan didn't consider anything but his own ego.

wow go kouta!
after reading this I am even more looking forward to a new season when every player is happy!

Wait for Carey's response

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Yep.

Pretty much sums it up IMO.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Very interesting read.

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There is no footy god

No one is bigger than the club, but put a pen in Kouta's hand and he obviously thinks he is. The past is the past and a former captain in Kouta should let sleeping dogs lie and keep his silence. As a club in all ways we've moved on from the Pagan era, but Kouta has to drag us back into it, in the limelight of the football media. Kouta, if you've got something to get off your chest about Pagan, get yourself a pseudonym on Talking Carlton and vent your spleen, while keeping your identity as a former captain of the club secret, rather than doing it in public whilst earning a dollar.

You've really put yourself before the club in this instance Kouta.

Get your hand off your souvalaki

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loved this:



shows that not only did the players have no respect for him, but his response simply shows that he didnt get it!

outdated, eh?

more like prehistoric.

So much stuff in there makes sense - the focus on the pre-season, the fact that it looked like the players weren't playing for him ('cause they weren't), and the balls up under consecutive administrations (Collo for extending him and Smorgan for failing to get rid of him).

Well, me thinks we can improve dramaticallty this year

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and I,
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference."

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He hasn't dragged us back by writing this.

If anything he's put it out there to set the past, with all its rumour and inneundo, straight and emphasize the direct Carlton is heading now.

I would have loved Kouta to play on another year because it is sad that Pagan categorically ruined the last years of his career.

Anybody know who the Ex - Player who came on SEN was. He left the club 2 years after Pagan came on board but basically backed up Koutas comments.
And he backed up what a lot of people thought when Ratten / Hickmont and another senior player all left at the same time 12 months after Pagan was appointed.

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

What 79 said. Airing the dirty laundry does no good to anyone, except maybe the book seller...........funny about that.

Regards Cazzesman

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I don't have a problem with anything Kouta wrote. I suppose the question is whether he should write it.

Personally, I think that this puts an end to all the speculation about Pagan and Carlton. It'll make for a few nasty headlines and a bit of foaming-at-the-mouth talkback radio, but I think it's a punctuation mark and lets us all move on.

Why is it that club 'insiders' and people who know people who know people can be aware of the real story, but supporters must be kept in the dark on things like this? Sure, Kouta's making some headlines and will sell some books, but I believe this is something the supporters need to know.

No need to whisper innuendo any more. Now the entire football public knows what happended these last 5 years. It feels cleansing.

Right. Now onto the next 5 years.

he is pumping ratts tyres...

For all of Pagan's errors - and he had quite a few of them - starting at the top of his list was his reliance on Whitnall - the fact is that he did lead us to two pre-season premierships.

Those cups are in the trophy cabinet and for many people here they mean nothing - but to me they kept my Carlton heart beating.

They were a waterhole in an otherwise depressing desert.
For those flags I am grateful.