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Stevens - good to go?
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Author:  bluey95 [ Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Stevens - good to go?
Would appreciate an accurate assessment of Stevens as things stand.

With Judd on board, his role becomes pivotal now.

Rich
Author:  true_blue3 [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:40 pm ]
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300 views and no one's got any idea?? :shock:
Author:  Dominator_7 [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:14 pm ]
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Training for the senior guys starts tomorrow so better indication then
Author:  hustla [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:13 pm ]
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Juddy will be at training tomorrow. Oh, how I loathe those stupid exams.
Author:  bluehammer [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:32 pm ]
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I thought he was good to go last year... :P
Author:  amazonstud [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:48 pm ]
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Rich,

I think all of the midfield roles will change and expect a varied game plan of both short and long kicking and what the comentatiors refer to as Tempo football. In the old days we used to say man up and make it a contest or keep possession of the ball to stop the oppositions run on.

Stevens IMO will become even more important to us next year with Judd recovering from surgery particularly early in the season. He will rotate through midfield, half forward, wing, and bench. Whether or not he plays in defence may depend upon match ups and the need to perhaps take an opposition player out of the contest.

Winning teams have depth in the midfield and the additon of a class player to any team helps spread the load. Most teams look to add only 1 or 2 to the side each year. This year we have at least 3 senior players to add in Stevens Judd and Hadley plus anotrher pre-season in Russell Murphy and Gibbs.

IMO all our midfielders will be asked to be more selfish when up forward and provide at least one goal per game whilst at the same time looking out for better scoring options and not always bombing long to Fev. I also think that there will be a lot more emphasis on blocking and set plays and how our ruckman can counter their opponents winning the tap.

I'm not sure at this stage who our designated long goal kickers will be but I believe Ratts is smart enough to know that when the opposition floods you need someone who can kick long goals from 50-55 and then you set up play and create space for them. Certainly Cloke Fevola Hartlett are capable but they may be inside the forward 50 as targets.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:41 pm ]
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The harsh reality is the jury is out on Stevens, Judd and Hadley.

Stevens' neck is a big one and very few professional athletes who've had that surgery performed have come back anywhere near their best. 2 ice-hockey players in the last 12 months have tried and retired because the reality is that injury is what doctors see in serious car accident victims.

Judd may lose a yard in pace due to this groin surgery - it might never be 100% right...the medicos think it will - but if he loses that pace - he comes back to the field somewhat and isn't special anymore. Hadley has bad knees. That's a fact. That doesn't mean he won't be able to get 4 more years of footy out of his body - but one more ACL and it's all over.

Having said all this - Stevo should compete in all pre-season drills - but like Hadley's knees...one knock in that area and it's curtains. You will not see him back back into a pack in 2008..and you can't blame him either.
Author:  Lace Out [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:13 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
The harsh reality is the jury is out on Stevens, Judd and Hadley.

Stevens' neck is a big one and very few professional athletes who've had that surgery performed have come back anywhere near their best. 2 ice-hockey players in the last 12 months have tried and retired because the reality is that injury is what doctors see in serious car accident victims.

Judd may lose a yard in pace due to this groin surgery - it might never be 100% right...the medicos think it will - but if he loses that pace - he comes back to the field somewhat and isn't special anymore. Hadley has bad knees. That's a fact. That doesn't mean he won't be able to get 4 more years of footy out of his body - but one more ACL and it's all over.

Having said all this - Stevo should compete in all pre-season drills - but like Hadley's knees...one knock in that area and it's curtains. You will not see him back back into a pack in 2008..and you can't blame him either.


Your post is logical and makes sense.

However one thing that life has taught me is that you can never really be too sure about anything, apart from taxes and death.....
Author:  bluehammer [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:24 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
You will not see him back back into a pack in 2008..and you can't blame him either.


It's too easy to respond to that.

Seriously nasty injury though and hope he makes a full recovery.
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:29 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Stevens' neck is a big one and very few professional athletes who've had that surgery performed have come back anywhere near their best. 2 ice-hockey players in the last 12 months have tried and retired because the reality is that injury is what doctors see in serious car accident victims.


I believe the issue Stevo had with his neck was the same one Andrew Johns had. I don't think you'll get many people to agree that it was the neck injury which caused Joey to be below his best in his last season. He was almost at the end of his career when he came back, and still had most of what made him the best RL player to have played.
Author:  fullmont101 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:08 pm ]
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AWWWWWW STEVENS.
Author:  camel [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:20 pm ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Stevens' neck is a big one and very few professional athletes who've had that surgery performed have come back anywhere near their best. 2 ice-hockey players in the last 12 months have tried and retired because the reality is that injury is what doctors see in serious car accident victims.


I believe the issue Stevo had with his neck was the same one Andrew Johns had. I don't think you'll get many people to agree that it was the neck injury which caused Joey to be below his best in his last season. He was almost at the end of his career when he came back, and still had most of what made him the best RL player to have played.


I hope Stevo doesn't find it that E-zy. :shock:
Author:  rhys87 [ Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:51 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
The harsh reality is the jury is out on Stevens, Judd and Hadley.

Stevens' neck is a big one and very few professional athletes who've had that surgery performed have come back anywhere near their best. 2 ice-hockey players in the last 12 months have tried and retired because the reality is that injury is what doctors see in serious car accident victims.

Judd may lose a yard in pace due to this groin surgery - it might never be 100% right...the medicos think it will - but if he loses that pace - he comes back to the field somewhat and isn't special anymore. Hadley has bad knees. That's a fact. That doesn't mean he won't be able to get 4 more years of footy out of his body - but one more ACL and it's all over.

Having said all this - Stevo should compete in all pre-season drills - but like Hadley's knees...one knock in that area and it's curtains. You will not see him back back into a pack in 2008..and you can't blame him either.



the injury to the 2 hockey players would have to be more severe than Stevens.... you would think.
Author:  Virgin Blue [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:28 am ]
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Gee Dr.Sherrin, that was a bit depressing mate?!
Author:  barrel47 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:42 am ]
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"Judd may lose a yard of pace".

Can I just state 2 things:
1. Fevola had the same groin release surgery at the end of 2005, that Judd has just had;
2. Fevola won the 2006 Grand Final Sprint.

I'm not convinced that he will be any slower.
If anything, the surgery will free him up to be quicker than he's ever been, or at least quicker than his last 2-3 years.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:51 am ]
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Yep - a little depressing...but just something to keep in the back of your minds. Running a footy club is big business - big business can be risky and your major assets are your footballers and no one can doubt the fitness cloud over Nick Stevens.

The guy was half an inch away from being in a wheelchair the rest of his life - has had bone taken from his hip and grafted into his neck and before a tackle has been laid on him 85% of people want to make him Captain of the club.

Sorry - but i'd like to wait until he's had a full trial game before we appoint him captain...and Barrel - Judd MAY lose a yard of pace.
Author:  jimmae [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:59 am ]
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Gotta agree with the Doc here, any time Stevo puts his head over the ball or backs into a pack he will be testing out how well the graft took, and as for Judd, he's had a tendon cut, there's always a risk it will detract from his athletic prowess.
Author:  Virgin Blue [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:40 am ]
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Yeah but Judd is the Messiah
Author:  wasthesonofapreacherman [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:43 am ]
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With all due respect guys and not in anyway am I looking for attention or sympathy, I'm just wishing to share my own experiences, I had a spinal fusion way back in 1994 as a 14 year old. When I say way back, I mean technology has changed so rapidly in this area that 13 years is a very long time (I lived in Canberra at the time and had to travel to Sydney to get an MRI as it was unavailable!!!!). I also had bone grafted from my hip - I had visited numerous orthopaedic surgeons and only one was utilising this new technique. The difference with Stevens and myself was I had it on the L5/SI (Lumbar/Sacrum) which is in the lowerback and far more debilitating - and similarly if left untreated would end in me being in a wheelchair. I was told I was to never play contact sports again, an around-about turn from the initial prognosis before surgery - flowering surgeon! Now in '94 I was supposed to get assitance from Occupational Therapists, Physio's etc to aid in the process of recovery...but due to the shit state of our health system, all I got was staff infection!!!! :lol: I have lost some mobility as a result of the operation, and every year that goes by small problems arise that give me grief. Yet against medical advise I started going to the gym a few years back, even doing powerlifting for a year before the "pain outweighed the gain" from lifting massive weights for a person with my injury. This year, only 6 weeks ago, I've started back on a completely different program that I found myself through doing research, and I've made a concerted effort to get mobility back in my hips and lower back - contributing to problems all over the body, and I can tell you I'm feeling fantastic. If I was on 300K (probably 100K in a Carlton guernsey!) there's no way I wouldn't be out on the field getting involved.

There's obviously a risk, but as an athlete on big money, most are willing to take it - and luckily for Steveo he's more of an outside midfielder so this is somewhat nullified. He has far greater technology then what was available to me, and the resources at his disposal for his recovery would be amazing. I have heard numerous people tell me he will never play again and not to get my hopes up. But based on my own experiences, and the new technology in relation to the surgery itself, coupled with the new and refined methods of rehabilitation for a now far more common procedure, I really think we have little to worry about. Steven's main problems will arise in the future when the extra stress placed on the other discs compensating for the lack of movement where the fusion is, start to bulge and cause him some pain and "deadening." But again, there are more procedures available to help this, and also exercises developed more recently to minimise this. So I chose to remain positive...

Jimmae the graft he's had can easily be looked at by a simple x-ray. If it doesn't fuse to the bone properly it will look somewhat like a break. An MRI on the otherhand, now has advanced so rapidly that it can show far more detail then when I had mine - even then the detail on the image showing the cross sections of the spine was amazing. They can now also read these better and draw more conclusions to certain aspects of the image.

So I think we should all remember that we live in the technology-age where survival of the fittest is a term being redifined. People are living longer, and in most cases free of the pain and hardship so apparent in previous generations. I wish Steveo all the best and look forward to the coming season. Fingers crossed.

I also hope the club is leaving no stone unturned in the pursuit of ensuring Judd's prognosis is based on the best available research the world over. I also hope they are spending countless dollars on developing a unique training strategy for Adam Hartlett to ensure his hamstrings withstand the rigours of AFL football. I know nothing about it, but I'd take a stab at it being hip/lower-back related.
Author:  jimmae [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:50 am ]
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Oh I'm not saying it didn't take, I'm just curious as to how well it took. 98%* sure he'll be fine though.

* - not based on anything concrete
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