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O'Reilly started the yap

Sos and Braddles gave info too

Brown told em to go forth...

The week before Black Friday - the membership of Carlton voted out the Board headed by John Elliott and voted in the "Carlton One" ticket headed by Ian Collins.

Under advice of Ian Collins and the new board and to show the AFL that the new board would do everything in their power to "co-operate" with the AFL Commission - Silvagni and Bradley gave a full account to the AFL Commission.

Silvagni was also a new Board Member at the time.

The AFL Commission then dry rooted us right royally.

:roll:

Hey fellow TCers.

I was wondering which players ACTUALLY ratted the club out about our payments under the table. My father and I were discussing it and from memory i thought Fraser Brown refused to give evidence against the club but my dad says he did. I'd like some clarifications.

azza? wrote:

That pri*k O'reilly put us in when his Accountant f**ked up his deal with the taxman and Carlton wouldn't make up the difference. Then, that a*sehole Collins dobbed in Bradley and Silvagni so that they had no choice but to fess up. Collins put Brown in too but he told the AFL to go and flower itself.

Collins was the main culprit as he wanted tip a bucket on Elliot and also wanted to get away from Optus and off to the dome.

The resurgence started as soon as we got rid of Collins. :-D

AGRO wrote:

His cur Ken Wood is made out to be some hot shot investigator. :roll:

KW: Hello Ken Wood here I am calling you in my role as AFL Investigations Officer and asking if you have complied with the TPP rules for this season.

CEO of AFL Club: "Yes we have Ken".

KW: "Thanks I will call you next year"

:roll:

Yeah - and Demetrispew makes out as if he caught us with our hands in the till.

flower idiot - he couldn't catch a flower cold.

To add to this we have to play at Telstra Dome... thanks Ian!
Elliot will always be the better of the two in my mind.
At least he cared about Carlton.

If my memory is correct the real culprit was that idiot Manager Dave Allison.

Author:	azza? [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:08 pm ]
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Hey fellow TCers. I was wondering which players ACTUALLY ratted the club out about our payments under the table. My father and I were discussing it and from memory i thought Fraser Brown refused to give evidence against the club but my dad says he did. I'd like some clarifications.

Author:	bluehammer [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:13 pm ]
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O'Reilly started the yap Sos and Braddles gave info too Brown told em to go forth...

Author:	FlipMode2 [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:14 pm ]
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bluehammer wrote: O'Reilly started the yap Sos and Braddles gave info too Brown told em to go forth...

Author:	AGRO [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:54 pm ]
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The week before Black Friday - the membership of Carlton voted out the Board headed by John Elliott and voted in the "Carlton One" ticket headed by Ian Collins. Under advice of Ian Collins and the new board and to show the AFL that the new board would do everything in their power to "co-operate" with the AFL Commission - Silvagni and Bradley gave a full account to the AFL Commission. Silvagni was also a new Board Member at the time. The AFL Commission then dry rooted us right royally.

Author:	Ponkstar [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:11 am ]
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bluehammer wrote: O'Reilly started the yap Sos and Braddles gave info too Brown told em to go forth... Just when I had erased all traces of that hack O'Reilly from my memory

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Author:	verbs [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:32 am ]
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Was it Brown's long service leave dispute with the club which started the investigation by the AFL?

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:47 am ]
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AGRO wrote: The week before Black Friday - the membership of Carlton voted out the Board headed by John Elliott and voted in the "Carlton One" ticket headed by Ian Collins. Under advice of Ian Collins and the new board and to show the AFL that the new board would do everything in their power to "co-operate" with the AFL Commission - Silvagni and Bradley gave a full account to the AFL Commission. Silvagni was also a new Board Member at the time. The AFL Commission then dry rooted us right royally. Yeah - and Demetrispew makes out as if he caught us with our hands in the till. @#$%&! idiot - he couldn't catch a @#$%&! cold.

Author:	tommi [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:56 am ]
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Ian Collins.................. hmmmmmmmm....................! kindest regards tommi

Author:	The Vet [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:32 am ]
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old news. time to move on.

Author:	Teen Spirit [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:40 am ]
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Anyone remember SOS at the Brownlow with Jo Silvagni a few years back, joking that Jo's amazing necklace was paid for by Jack Elliot? i nearly cried it was such a low-blow.

Author:	waldo48 [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:02 am ]
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azza? wrote: Hey fellow TCers. I was wondering which players ACTUALLY ratted the club out about our payments under the table. My father and I were discussing it and from memory i thought Fraser Brown refused to give evidence against the club but my dad says he did. I'd like some clarifications. That prik O'reilly put us in when his Accountant fked up his deal with the taxman and Carlton wouldn't make up the difference. Then, that asehole Collins dobbed in Bradley and Silvagni so that they had no choice but to fess up. Collins put Brown in too but he told the AFL to go and flower itself. Collins was the main culprit as he wanted tip a bucket on Elliot and also wanted to get away from Optus and off to the dome. The resurgence started as soon as we got rid of Collins.

Author:	Dominator_7 [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:27 am ]
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waldo48 wrote: azza? wrote: Hey fellow TCers. I was wondering which players ACTUALLY ratted the club out about our payments under the table. My father and I were discussing it and from memory i thought Fraser Brown refused to give evidence against the club but my dad says he did. I'd like some clarifications. That prik O'reilly put us in when his Accountant fked up his deal with the taxman and Carlton wouldn't make up the difference. Then, that asehole Collins dobbed in Bradley and Silvagni so that they had no choice but to fess up. Collins put Brown in too but he told the AFL to go and flower itself. Collins was the main culprit as he wanted tip a bucket on Elliot and also wanted to get away from Optus and off to the dome. The resurgence started as soon as we got rid of Collins. His replacement Smorgon was better ? Dont think so... The ressurgence started as soon as any trace of the 2002 board spill was removed from the board room..

Author:	AGRO [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:13 pm ]
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Deano Supremo wrote: AGRO wrote: The week before Black Friday - the membership of Carlton voted out the Board headed by John Elliott and voted in the "Carlton One" ticket headed by Ian Collins. Under advice of Ian Collins and the new board and to show the AFL that the new board would do everything in their power to "co-operate" with the AFL Commission - Silvagni and Bradley gave a full account to the AFL Commission. Silvagni was also a new Board Member at the time. The AFL Commission then dry rooted us right royally. His cur Ken Wood is made out to be some hot shot investigator. KW: Hello Ken Wood here I am calling you in my role as AFL Investigations Officer and asking if you have complied with the TPP rules for this season. CEO of AFL Club: "Yes we have Ken". KW: "Thanks I will call you next year" Yeah - and Demetrispew makes out as if he caught us with our hands in the till. flower idiot - he couldn't catch a flower cold.

Author:	Blue Oasis [ Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:29 pm ]
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Collins still acts as if he did the club a favour. Fraser should have buried Wood and Dimwitrio in one of his landfills

Author:	teknodeejay [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:55 am ]
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Look on the bright side (if you can)... Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, Kruze, Stevens, Judd > Wells + Goddard, and possibly none of those may have happened without Black Friday. Maybe God wanted Carlton to be exposed to the Devil's temptations before he forgave their sins and blessed them to return to the throne of the competition. It's a sign people... it's a sign.

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Author:	Loyal Carltonian [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:23 am ]
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Ian Collins was the biggest mistake this club ever made. Smorgon was just a puppet caught up in the circumstances. Dick Pratt was always the man that was going to bail our club out of the darkness.

Author:	dane [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:29 am ]
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To add to this we have to play at Telstra Dome... thanks Ian! Elliot will always be the better of the two in my mind. At least he cared about Carlton.

Author:	Teen Spirit [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 2:48 pm ]
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dane wrote: To add to this we have to play at Telstra Dome... thanks Ian! Elliot will always be the better of the two in my mind. At least he cared about Carlton. everything he did, he had the clubs interests at heart...no matter how much he screwed up he was willing to screw up purely for the love of the club.

Author:	Wildman [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:02 pm ]
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If my memory is correct the real culprit was that idiot Manager Dave Allison. He was putting in a claim for superannuation for Fraser Brown to the AFL. Now Fraser had retired with a year (I think it was just the one year) to go on his contract, but he informed the AFL he would forgo (or not take the payment for the final year) this last year of payment. This allowed the Blues to exclude it from the salary cap. But Allisons claim was for all of Frasers wages including the final year that he had told the AFL he would not receive from Carlton. This set off alarm bells at the AFL and they decided to investigate. Fraser Brown told them to stick it, what could they do to him anyway (they threatened to ban him from AFL venues). They then started to investigate other similar situations at the club which lead them to O'Reilly and he told them he had taken money outside the salary cap. As others have said Bradley and Silvagni were encouraged by Collins to come forward and disclose their deals. I assume this was also to prevent future problems if they were discovered down the track. I don't remember anyone else giving evidence or comming forward.

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:06 pm ]
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Wildman wrote: If my memory is correct the real culprit was that idiot Manager Dave Allison. The universe catches up with people in the strangest ways.