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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:51 pm 
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I'd be interested to hear what people think we could learn from this Geelong premiership team.

For a start, I think it shows that we are probably 4 years away still from troubling others in the final, in that I think you need a solid core of players with around 100+ games in them.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:01 pm 
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Look at the last 5 premiership sides i.e. Geelong, West Coast, Sydney, Port Adelaide and Brisbane. They all had plenty of finals experience prior to winning their first flag.

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Playing against a rabble is good...!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:17 pm 
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Zippy wrote:
Playing against a rabble is good...!


Even WE beat Port!!

Seriously though, Geelong have been blessed with some real Father/Son talent. Heaven help the rest of the league if Tom Hawkins turns out as good they expect.

Their draft selections in 2001 certainly helped.

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our defense should look like theirs, team mates helping each other, always keep on running, lots of 2nd efforts, etc


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Don't trade away draft picks for old hacks.....


http://realfooty.com.au/news/news/from- ... 97587.html


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He sent Michael Mansfield to Carlton, the compensatory draft pick produced Paul Chapman.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:12 pm 
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Yes it does seem as if Carlton is still quite a way from a flag, but Im sure that if we keep working away at the rebuilding task, success will come.

And sometimes success comes earlier than anticipated.

I think it was Ron Barassi that said - The harder you work, the luckier you get...

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blueman wrote:
Yes it does seem as if Carlton is still quite a way from a flag, but Im sure that if we keep working away at the rebuilding task, success will come.

And sometimes success comes earlier than anticipated.

I think it was Ron Barassi that said - The harder you work, the luckier you get...




.....aka St Kilda's ongoing 'bad luck' over almost 100 years is no conicidence

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Wouldnt have mattered who Geelong played they would have smashed them....its their time, ultra strong list where they had genuine talent like Hawkins, Egan, Lonergan, Prismall, Varcoe, Blake, Tenace etc watching.
I actually believe the off field team of Brian Cook and Frank Costa were the start of this cycle of success...Cook is one smart operator and dragged that club off its knees and made it viable.
Good off field operators tend to attract good onfield talent, wayward problem children like Mooney suddenly wake up to themselves and gifts from heaven like the Abletts, Selwood etc start appearing.....

I think Richard Pratt and Greg Swann = Costa and Cook and thats why its going to turn our way......

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Midfield depth

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A good defense is needed to be a sucsessful finals team.


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Every team needs a Max Rooke - wish we had him - really hard at it!!! reminds me of Fraser Brown but faster.

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Blue Vain wrote:
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Yes and a multi prong attack with several targets to kick to and have your best ball user delivering it forward not off half back

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I think when we hit our straps, we can expect a very good couple of years of success.

I think the multi pronged attack is a key component, but it does not reduce Fevs importance. A dominate fev should make the job easier for those around him.

We really need some goal kicking midfielders, and decent HF flankers.

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We dont need to tank to rebuild a side, Geelong built this side up to be a great team without high draft picks


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I learnt today that I would prefer to win a premiership.


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To be honest I think we're well on the way to producing a team (both on-field and off) that will be very similar to the cats model of 2007. Like the cats in 1999, we were a basket-case off-field. Draft penalties, poor performances, board disputes, the bad news just didn't seem to end.

Then Pratt came on board, and like Costa/Cook before him has set the wheels in motion for our climb back up. We're already seeing the benefits now, first with Swann and Icke coming to the club, and now with the club looking a very attractive location for highly regarded assistants (Riley and Sumich). Like the cats before, we are chipping away at our debts with gusto, and developing our club for the 21st century. Soon we will have state of the art facilities, a professional administration that will ensure success is the only option for years to come, and a playing group with the highest quality of assistance to help them be the best they can be.

On-field, our midfield is growing together, like Geelong's. Murph, Gibbs, Carrots, K-Dog, Tex are like Ablett, Corey, Bartel, Ling and Enright a few years ago. Our forwards are kicking goals, which is actually something the cats struggled with before this season.

But what we lack is a defense, and like our midfield I would want to see a solid defensive 6 grow together and be a team in their own right. Watching the way the cats defenders work together and for one another is humbling. They're all of one mind, they know what their teammates are thinking and can anticipate what they will do next. The cats defence has grown together like their midfield, with Scarlett, Milburn (:evil:), Wojinscki and Harley all growing side by side and now setting the example for younger blokes like Hunt, Mackie and Egan to follow.

This is what we need desperately and are sadly lacking. I think we have the ingredients for a solid back-6, but leadership is desperately needed and I think (and hope) Setanta could be the key. If you asked me before this season I would've nominated Thornton as the ideal leader for this defence, but my confidence in him has been shaken this year. In Setanta I see a guy you can rally many guys around, a guy that you know will not only give 100% on his direct opponent, but will always back you up and lead you into battle. A guy you'd want in the trenches with you. This is what I see when I see Scarlett and Harley, and my hope is that Setanta can reach this level. If Setanta can be a leader, I think guys like Jamison, Austin, Anderson will develop much quicker. I also feel that we have too many 'quarterbacks' that aren't really defenders and thus don't actually put pressure on their direct opponents. We need our back 6 to be made up of 4-5 genuine defenders and 1-2 guys to launch our attacks from there. The beauty of Scarlett is that he does both these jobs better than anyone.

This also leads into on-field leadership, and why I now think Judd is crucial to our development. Look at our leaders/senior players these past couple of years. Whitnall, Fev, Stevens (before he cleaned up his act), Houlihan, Lappin, Thornton. Not exactly a great standard of consistency and behaviour. We need better examples to be set, and sadly I think the onus is now on Murph, Carrots, Waite and these types. Stevens I think is now capable of leading this team now that he has his problems in check, but Judd would be the icing on the cake here. I feel that we should also follow the Geelong model of developing the leadership group by giving them specific guidance in this area (by hiring someone from the private sector to help build these skills). The faster we build the leadership skills of this group, the better they'll be. The appointment of a couple of development coaches is the right choice as well.

I think our team is developing nicely, and I do see similarities between where we are and where the cats were. But there are still massive holes that need filling before we can think about reaching that level. But we CAN get there.

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No handbags but 22 committed players (you know who), strong leadership from your senior players and smart trading.

The Ottens and Mooney trades were bargains and have won them a flag.

It hurts even more when they got Chapman from Carlton with the Mansfield draft pick. :evil: :cry:

And I'd prefer a player like Mooney at Carlton than Fevola.

Mooney has made the most out the talent he has and straightened himself out. Their leadership and the action they took with another tool in S.Johnson is second to none and something we need to emulate. We have Whitnall taking the young players boys out past curfew, Scotland in court for assault and Fev blasting Murphy before he takes off his boots on the bench.

Cutting Lance and trading Fevola might be a smart move to secure kids with the right attitude.

It would also show the team they'll be cut if they take keep taking shortcuts and embarassing the club with their actions.
Blueboy_Dan wrote:
We dont need to tank to rebuild a side, Geelong built this side up to be a great team without high draft picks

G.Ablett, N.Ablett, T.Callan, M.Blake, M.Scarlett and T.Hawkins are father son picks. Don't forget Ottens was drafted at pick two and acquired cheaply for the Meyer and Pattison picks. We need genuine big men like King and Ottens who aren't afraid to throw their weight around and chase even when they should be out of the contest.

Kreuzer. :idea:

We need to trade for Judd and draw from his leadership and hard work on the track to change the club's culture.

A deal like the Ottens trade would be great. :twisted:


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Cook was on the radio after the game. Reckons today they finally achieved their last goal that they set in place in 1999. Said it took them eight years but it was worth it. We are probably 2 years into our 8 years.


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Blueboy_Dan wrote:
We dont need to tank to rebuild a side, Geelong built this side up to be a great team without high draft picks


Yes and a good ot of father sons a couple of which happen to be AA...

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