Actually our position concerning Judd hasn't been effected by our priority pick since we're refusing to trade it. We've always had pick 3 towards the end, it was just a question of whether we'd got pick 1 or not.

In fact, if you think about it, we'd be in a better position to get Judd if we hadn't got the priority pick. Instead of offering 3 and 20 we could be offering 3 and 19

#2 and #19

Funnily enough discussion in the forums is now centred on gaining the services of arguably the best player in the competition. It would be fair to say that we would not be in the box seat to secure Judd's services without the priority pick which has in effect provided us with the opportunity to sacrifice our much sought after draft pick no 3 as part ofour trade offer.

I am sure these anti tankers are now salivating at the thought of watching Judd in Carlton colours but the question must be asked. Do they now concede that they have lost the ideological battle and the decision to secure a priority pick was in Carlton's long term interests?

Conundrum

Nice try in trying to gain the moral high ground, but you're doomed to fail. You won't find an anti-tanker here that has ever said they wouldn't gladly accept whatever came up in the draft regardless of how the season played out. So if you're trying to insinuate that people who wanted us to win regardless of the situation should feel embarassed and/or defeated because of this, then you're a sad excuse for a supporter of this club.

But out of interest, if we did get Judd and he turned out to be a limping dud, does that give me permission to point the finger at you and say 'I told you so', and make a thread talking about how much of a goose you must be now? Should I take glee in such a thing? Of course not, because it would mean our club suffers. Just like we should suffer when we lose games.

Get over yourself.

Quite defensive there, obviously this thread has hit a raw nerve. Now with the benefit of hindsight, would you have preferred to have won another game or two or three for that matter or be placed in the current position that will quite likely deliver usboth the best player in the land and best youngster?.

Whilst you ponder this, I will try to get over myself.

Conundrum

Nice try in trying to gain the moral high ground, but you're doomed to fail. You won't find an anti-tanker here that has ever said they wouldn't gladly accept whatever came up in the draft regardless of how the season played out. So if you're trying to insinuate that people who wanted us to win regardless of the situation should feel embarassed and/or defeated because of this, then you're a sad excuse for a supporter of this club.

But out of interest, if we did get Judd and he turned out to be a limping dud, does that give me permission to point the finger at you and say 'I told you so', and make a thread talking about how much of a goose you must be now? Should I take glee in such a thing? Of course not, because it would mean our club suffers. Just like we should suffer when we lose games.

Get over yourself.

All you have to do is read the myriad of threads of the time to see that this argument isn't black and white.
As has already been pointed out, the anti-tankers (me included) were arguing that to tank was not the ideal way to end the season from a morale point of view but at the same time if we were to get the PP, it would be welcome. I also argued a line at the time and I am yet to be proved wrong, that the PP might end up biting us on the backside down the track when list management may become an issue.
As it pans out, we could still be in the running for Judd without the PP as has also been pointed out. We haven't gained anything as far as he is concerned. What we have gained is the option to select Kreuzer, which we wouldn't have had. Judd doesn't enter into it.
And yes, I will be glad if we get him but I will not be glad if we trade away the world to get him. There is now a school that says we may still be better off with Kreuzer and Cotchin or Morton or Ebert.
There is NO moral high ground here so as Donstuie has rightly pointed out.
We will take what we get and we wil go onwards and upwards. I am actually hoping Judd goes to Melbourne so we can just forget about the whole thing and do what we were all so happy to be doing a week ago, developing a young list.
Judd is the icing but we don't have to have him to move forward.
And who says we tanked anyway? We lost games but there is no hard evidence of tanking.

#2 and #19

Camelboy Posted




You will find that Melbourne would have had pick #2 ahead of us if we had not lost thus keeping us at only #3 and #20.