TalkingCarlton :: View topic - FEV WILL BE CLEARED...A BREEZE!!! READ WHY?

1. The original reason why the AFL Match Review Panel was considering Fev's alleged misconduct charge was because Grover went off with a cut beneath his "right" eye...I repeat "right eye". They wanted an explanation as to why he had to go off with the blood rule. The footage that shows Fev's hand on Grover's face did not cause

1. the bleeding to the right eye as his hand pushed (important word this, "pushed") the "left side" of Grover's face. (Cf. footage)...no gouging...
2. The footage suggests that Fev was in the subordinate position in the wrestle, had his hair pulled (something those girls from Freo tend to do) so tried to push Grover away from him. Why a push?
If you look at the footage in real time, Fev pushes and pulls away (possibly realising that he made contact to the face)...Contact was literally a second long...Harmless as far as I am concerned ....
If he gets a suspension for this contact given Johnson elbowing Shaw in the face didn't even get a look in...then the Tribunal is the closest thing to an asylum...

Comparison to Scotland case in Media articles, absolutely wrong...Different situation, Different context and from a legal perspective a different case...

TRIBUNAL DECISION: Fev free to play Friday and a bloody waste of his and the football club's time....

A breeze you say?
You must have a different TV to me.
On my set, Fev reaches around the right side of Grovers nose and "uses" his fingers.
I think the only "pushing" here is shit uphill.

Some can claim provocation but to suggest Fev didnt stick his fingers into Grover is fanciful.

No way Fev gets reported. Deliberate eye gauging is a despicable act. Floundering around trying to get out of a headlock is a DEFENSIVE action that if it results in contact to the eye can be excused. Adding to his defence, once he realised that he had hit a soft spot with his fingers, his reaction was similar to touching a hotplate- instant recoil.
Typical media beat up. Cant believe We all get sucked in by this stuff.

You're absolutely right! Fevola to get 4 weeks.

therubbernub wrote:

Interesting Matt Hardy agreed with you on SEN this afternoon, when someone has you in a headlock and is cutting off your windpipe, you do what it takes to get out.
My question is can you be charged with eyegouging when you scratch a player on the cheek? It seems wrong to me, scratching someone is hardly a terrible crime - it's not punching, kicking or gouging. But agree will most likely get 2 weeks like Scotland, with an extra week for his record from last year.

Author:	Paganbro [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:45 pm ]
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1. The original reason why the AFL Match Review Panel was considering Fev's alleged misconduct charge was because Grover went off with a cut beneath his "right" eye...I repeat "right eye". They wanted an explanation as to why he had to go off with the blood rule. The footage that shows Fev's hand on Grover's face did not cause 1. the bleeding to the right eye as his hand pushed (important word this, "pushed") the "left side" of Grover's face. (Cf. footage)...no gouging... 2. The footage suggests that Fev was in the subordinate position in the wrestle, had his hair pulled (something those girls from Freo tend to do) so tried to push Grover away from him. Why a push? If you look at the footage in real time, Fev pushes and pulls away (possibly realising that he made contact to the face)...Contact was literally a second long...Harmless as far as I am concerned .... If he gets a suspension for this contact given Johnson elbowing Shaw in the face didn't even get a look in...then the Tribunal is the closest thing to an asylum... Comparison to Scotland case in Media articles, absolutely wrong...Different situation, Different context and from a legal perspective a different case... TRIBUNAL DECISION: Fev free to play Friday and a bloody waste of his and the football club's time....

Author:	bluehammer [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:11 pm ]
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Damn you're good Pagan Bro! Someone - anyone - sign the lad up as Fev's advocate.

Author:	SurreyBlue [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:18 pm ]
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Well Said Son. Well Done.

Author:	buzzaaaah [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 5:33 pm ]
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Can't argue with your logic. One problem is that tribunals dont always apply common sense. Hope they do this time.

Author:	teknodeejay [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 6:14 pm ]
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Paganbro wrote: 1. The original reason why the AFL Match Review Panel was considering Fev's alleged misconduct charge was because Grover went off with a cut beneath his "right" eye...I repeat "right eye". They wanted an explanation as to why he had to go off with the blood rule. The footage that shows Fev's hand on Grover's face did not cause 1. the bleeding to the right eye as his hand pushed (important word this, "pushed") the "left side" of Grover's face. (Cf. footage)...no gouging... 2. The footage suggests that Fev was in the subordinate position in the wrestle, had his hair pulled (something those girls from Freo tend to do) so tried to push Grover away from him. Why a push? If you look at the footage in real time, Fev pushes and pulls away (possibly realising that he made contact to the face)...Contact was literally a second long...Harmless as far as I am concerned .... If he gets a suspension for this contact given Johnson elbowing Shaw in the face didn't even get a look in...then the Tribunal is the closest thing to an asylum... Comparison to Scotland case in Media articles, absolutely wrong...Different situation, Different context and from a legal perspective a different case... TRIBUNAL DECISION: Fev free to play Friday and a bloody waste of his and the football club's time.... You're absolutely right! Fevola to get 4 weeks.

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Author:	Ponkstar [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:05 pm ]
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Jeez I hope you're right Pbro Thing is if they're going to have a referral to the tribunal every time a player leaves the ground under the blood rule under remotely suspicious circumstances they are going to be plenty busy. In the end the media has created the impetus for a trial and the AFL is gonna give them a trial, simply because the media demands it.

Author:	blueman [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:08 pm ]
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To put this in context, this is what was said today at my Carlton email ring at work : Word has it from some very reliable sources that the Freo player had made a few comments to Fev about his partner and step daughter. Any comment from you guys?

Author:	therubbernub [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:25 pm ]
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No way Fev gets reported. Deliberate eye gauging is a despicable act. Floundering around trying to get out of a headlock is a DEFENSIVE action that if it results in contact to the eye can be excused. Adding to his defence, once he realised that he had hit a soft spot with his fingers, his reaction was similar to touching a hotplate- instant recoil. Typical media beat up. Cant believe We all get sucked in by this stuff.

Author:	Synbad [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 7:36 pm ]
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Hope youre right but i reckon he will get 3 to 4 weeks. Personally i think its bullshit.

Author:	Wangers [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:26 pm ]
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Will either get cleared (most unlikely) or get 2 to 3 weeks. Thinking more laterally, will help the clubs' case at the negotiation table for his next contract if he's rubbed out.

Author:	Blue Vain [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:35 pm ]
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A breeze you say? You must have a different TV to me. On my set, Fev reaches around the right side of Grovers nose and "uses" his fingers. I think the only "pushing" here is shit uphill. Some can claim provocation but to suggest Fev didnt stick his fingers into Grover is fanciful.

Author:	Synbad [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:43 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote: A breeze you say? You must have a different TV to me. On my set, Fev reaches around the right side of Grovers nose and "uses" his fingers. I think the only "pushing" here is shit uphill. Some can claim provocation but to suggest Fev didnt stick his fingers into Grover is fanciful. He was pushing the boogers back in????

Author:	bosman [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:47 pm ]
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Saturday May 21st.. If Fev is lucky he will play in the last game at Optus......

Author:	mjonc [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:51 pm ]
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Will benefit the team having Fev out a few weeks. Learn the capabilities of other players to step up in his abscence, ability to learn new attacking options and we will be less predictable going forward. All in all two weeks will be perfect.

Author:	CarltonClem [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 9:51 pm ]
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Provocation only a partial defence in a court of law. It looks bad on replay, the "recoil" is almost a deliberate "i didn't do that" trick. Sorry I can't agree.

Author:	Ponkstar [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:32 am ]
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I'm just wondering why it is that unnecessary high contact to the neck in the form of throttling someone isn't regarded as misconduct, but poking someone in the face is. At worst, eyegouging might cause severe eye trauma, most likely repairable through surgery. At worst, choking someone could result in a corpse on the field. In legal terms it's kind of like assault versus attempted murder Just wondering why the guy doing the poking seems to get ranked up there with the anus fiddlers and scrotum biters of the world.....

Author:	grrofunger [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:39 am ]
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IF Fev played for Essendon* it would have been dismissed in a heart beat wouldn't have even got this much media attention Hell McAnus playing for the damn DOCKERS did just as bad and didnt even rate a mention. Its the ANTI Carlton media/AFL bandwagon at its best.

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Author:	Wildman [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:28 pm ]
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therubbernub wrote: No way Fev gets reported. Deliberate eye gauging is a despicable act. Floundering around trying to get out of a headlock is a DEFENSIVE action that if it results in contact to the eye can be excused. Adding to his defence, once he realised that he had hit a soft spot with his fingers, his reaction was similar to touching a hotplate- instant recoil. Typical media beat up. Cant believe We all get sucked in by this stuff. Interesting Matt Hardy agreed with you on SEN this afternoon, when someone has you in a headlock and is cutting off your windpipe, you do what it takes to get out. My question is can you be charged with eyegouging when you scratch a player on the cheek? It seems wrong to me, scratching someone is hardly a terrible crime - it's not punching, kicking or gouging. But agree will most likely get 2 weeks like Scotland, with an extra week for his record from last year.

Author:	AGRO [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:55 pm ]
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teknodeejay wrote: You're absolutely right! Fevola to get 4 weeks. Demetrispew has demanded 8 weeks minimum whilst being blown by "Spike Anderson".

Author:	ScottSaunders [ Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:10 pm ]
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Wildman wrote: therubbernub wrote: No way Fev gets reported. Deliberate eye gauging is a despicable act. Floundering around trying to get out of a headlock is a DEFENSIVE action that if it results in contact to the eye can be excused. Adding to his defence, once he realised that he had hit a soft spot with his fingers, his reaction was similar to touching a hotplate- instant recoil. Typical media beat up. Cant believe We all get sucked in by this stuff. Interesting Matt Hardy agreed with you on SEN this afternoon, when someone has you in a headlock and is cutting off your windpipe, you do what it takes to get out. My question is can you be charged with eyegouging when you scratch a player on the cheek? It seems wrong to me, scratching someone is hardly a terrible crime - it's not punching, kicking or gouging. But agree will most likely get 2 weeks like Scotland, with an extra week for his record from last year. broken record commence ive said it before and i will say it again. It is human nature when someone is in a headlock to panic and do whatever, claw, pull, scratch etc.. to get out of it. No one is difference, possibly the only ones that dont react that same way are those that are trained in handling it. i.e. people who studyin martial arts or have some training in self defence, or wrselters etc.. Anyone that knows what they are doing will tell you to total relax your body, conserve your energy, then we the attack appears to be slaking you go full out and you will 9 times out of 10 get out of it. But like i say, unless you have trained for that, you will allows react with panic. I still want to know why that the fact that Gover was 15m away from the action when Fev and Walker where having a push and shove, came from behind and started to wrestle with him, the put him in a headlock, i want to know why he isnt facing more charges. Its a flower joke and if fev goes - the club should take the AFL all the way to court on this - becuase its that much of a joke. Some may dismiss it - but any person on the street, anyone, would act and do exactly the same thing and would get off.