Ahh yes but if they were not getting the ball you would into them about that to and you would have a case.

But given that Pagans gameplan is a low possession game plan, it follows that a player who is getting the ball 24 times in a game is doing pretty well.

Given that winning the centre clearence is critical in winning a game of football and that we have a player that is leading the competition in such clearences, well I would say he is doing his bit well and truely.

I could go on but you have you mind set and nothing will change it. Campo could get 30 possessions a game and will not be happy, Whits could run 20 k a game and you still would not be happy.

Me I will look at the facts on the ground and then compare them with the players role in the team and then make a judgement.

It still astounds me (well actually doesn't) that he anti-Campo forces have not kicked up a stink that Campo got reported for fending off Holland, when Holland was clearly attempting to charge Campo off the ball, isn't that illegal? Or why aren't you complaining that Campo was clearly hit illegally to the face resulting in an injury. One that resulted ina cracked cheek bone and a fairly large black eye. As I said some people on here are clearly running an agenda, thats fine that is thier right, me I support every single player that runs out in the Navy Blue, not just a favoured few because it suits a indivivuals own agenda. It just occurred to me that the favouring a few players above the rest of the team in such a way has very strong echoes of the 'old culture' that brought our club to its knees

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Those Who Know Do Not Speak, Those Who Speak Do not Know.

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Sometimes one has to come out of Zen Mediation and engage with Nuff Nuffs Synbad

Mushotoku.

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Seeing you are saying alot in there does this mean you have no clue what youre talking about????
You talk about Shattered faces .. massive hits... but you do not talk about trecking back. Leaving the kids with more defensive duties covering their most experienced leaders slack.
you are still learning the game...
Sure its nice to defend some of these blokes.. but not when theyre sucking up 1/3 of the salary cap and arent doing the basics. .. grasshopper..

Come end of year we shall see who is worth what. The season will be over in a flash grasshopper... the situation with the leaders will have to be addressed or endorsed.

Not long to go now....

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Everyone agrees about the money situation.

You are only arguing with yourself on that one.

Good diversionary debating tactic though.

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Oh but the leadership is A1 tho right???Youre happy with leadership shown. Were not losing our way much are we??Few games that need that extra little something.. were finding it. ...

Its actually sad that we think we cant criticise or point the finger at blokes like Campo because of what he has done 5 and prior years ago. Campo should be making the environment exciting and fulfilling for Sporn and Wiggo, Walker etc.. he should be paving the way. Why should Sporn and Wiggo have to play dour negative roles to cover for our lack of defensive efforts from blokes like Campo ??
You obviously dont care enough about the kids to want them to enjoy their football and attack from time to time instead of covering for the leaders.
You might love Campo but do you hate Sporn and Co????
Theyre too scared to leave the defence and rush forward because the ball comes from the forwqard line into our backline in a blink of an eye because noone is accountable up the field.

Theres a leadership problem there....


I think if youre getting paid that kind of money and are in the leadership group because you out your hand out you should have to be under the microscope.
Now if youre Wiggo, Sporn and Bannister collecting 400k between the lot of you.. you cant really expect them to steer and turn the ship around .
In Koutas defence he actually tries, spends time with kids , stays back.. and works harder with the organisation than the other two do.
So i dont really have as big problem with Kouta except to say Stevens should be our captain next year.
The other two are a disgrace in my opinion. Wouldnt last 5 minutes in a non contract organisation on what they earn or positions held.
You cant do things half hearted in that sort of scenario.. youre cheating the club, your team mates and everyone else.

These guys in their hearts dont think they will be there for the next premiership so they dont really care...!!!

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Can both of these players do something this year to redeem themselves at least?

Wow!!!! Now he nows whats resides in a players heart and the emotional state of other players.


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'All Hail Synbad the all seeing, all knowing Oracle'

'All Hail Synbad the all seeing, all knowing Oracle'

'All Hail Synbad the all seeing, all knowing Oracle'



Lao Tzu and the Dali Lama has nothing on this guy.

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- please explain Synbad.

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Based on what I have seen this year I would give the job to Barnaby French...has improved as a player and is more respected by the player group now and even the arm chair critics like yours truly.

Nick Stevens is a terrific player and while Bluemark is correct in his assertions of Stevens hanging around for the easy receive etc etc etc he does what we pay him to do...get it 30 times a match and dispose of it corrrectly. No body mentioned leadership when we signed Stevens on, if anyone should be getting the easy get it is Stevens as at least he knows what to do with it and can hit a target....we got we paid for ..a quality wide running midfielder who racks up the possies......you want leadership, one percenters etc etc..then we should have offered for Riccuito, Voss etc.
We knew what we were getting....and not getting...
Kouta and Stevens are similar to me...both highly skilled but not real leaders in the true sense....not like Sticks, Carey, Voss, Archer etc...players would follow these four into battle...I dont reckon Kouta or Nick Stevens inspire the same death or glory spirit...

Now wash my feet

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http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=151690

Denis doesen't agree with you Synbad.
Sorry.

Carlton coach Denis Pagan believes Scott Camporeale reinvented himself in his 195th senior game. And while Pagan revealed little about the form that renaissance took on the eve of the dashing midfielder’s 200 game milestone, both he and Camporeale seem equally pleased about it.

“I don’t want to get too specific because we’ll give away his cover,â€

MCB, Pagan is human and makes mistakes as well ........LA, Martyn, Campo obviously.

I've been with Synbad on this one for a long while. We all have our favourites and Campo is defintely not one. I class him as a whinging, $$ hungry receiver. He is easy to read ( just ask any opposition player) and even the umpires are sick of him and hardly pay him a free.

Martyn wasn't a mistake, Pagan wanted to nurse him to 300.
And I'm sure his tuition would have been invaluable to T-Bird given the absence of a real key-defender.

Angwin was always going to be a risk, but @#$%&! he was talented. And if Synbad joins you in using Angwin as an excuse, well, he was one of his greatest supporters. We all had hopes for LA. BUT TO COMPARE CAMPO TO LA IS A @#$%&! JOKE.

an absolute disgrace and they should not be in the same category.

MCB you're talking about an article written May 27 2004. Been plenty of water under the bridge since then. IIRC, Denis similarly sang Hulme's praises in the media as one of our key midfielders but he was delisted at the end of that very same season.

Let's look at a more recent media article like Denis publicly expressing his disappointment when Campo got suspended in the Wiz Cup (and keep in mind Denis isn't one to publicly air grievances lightly) . What happens next? Campo gets suspended again not a couple of weeks later!! Fuckn pathetic if you ask me!!! I expect better than that from our 2nd-most senior player and vice captain. What sort of leadership and example-setting is that to the youngest list in the AFL!!

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There has? Do you mean the two reports? Late may last year is hardly a lifetime ago. What dirty water has passed under the bridge in only 11 months apart from the 2 reports.

I can't really remember the first one, Wizard Cup is hardly worth worrying about. As for the second report...I'd almost grant Camporeale two weeks off a year for belting that stupid cocksucking Holland. It's just a pity he got caught this time.

The two reports are exactly what I'm talking about. To get suspended again 2 games after coming back from a previous suspension, shows complete, utter lack of discipline. Denis words obviously aren't getting through to him. He's trying to get the messaage across to our team that he doesn't want them getting suspended for stupid things and what does our vice captain do? Bloody inexcusable!!

OK. Put it this way verbs, can you see a similar article coming from Denis about Campo right now?

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Only if Campo reinvents himself AGAIN. He'll retire as a ruckman!!

Apparently you only get dispensation to hit Rhyce Shaw.

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Were still got Campos role under wraps (cover) its a secret!!! shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

PS Jonny Mac and Darren Hulme are long gone...

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