On SEN this morning Essendon* supporters claiming they have Voss signed sealed and delivered. As apparently we do as well. Vossy is going to be a busy man next year. No wonder he needs mentors and a heap of assistants around him...
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| Author: | Speakers [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | An issue I have with the Voss ticket |
An issue I have with the Voss ticket is he seems to want to bring over all his Lions buddies (McRea, Leppitsch, Scott). Now, they might very well be good assistants, but it smacks of a boys club to me. The assistants Vossy brings over should be the best available, not just his mates. Just seems a bit too narrow minded if you ask me. |
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| Author: | camel [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:57 am ] |
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That's a fair comment. I don't mind the option of Voss having a employed mentor, if that makes sense. Should we hire him, Elliott's suggestion of Parkin, or someone of his ilk, Robert Walls perhaps, just sitting in the background for a year or two could be a good thing. |
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| Author: | Molly [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:00 am ] |
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I reckon you can relax Speakers, with Pratt, Swann, and Icke we are no dummies off-field anymore. I am sure that if Voss comes to Carlton then he'll do so under our terms. On the topic of Voss as coaching the Blues, there were a few interesting little snippets in an article by Greg Denham in yesterday's Australian: Quote: Another Carlton figure, former coach Wayne Brittain, could be back as part of Michael Voss's support staff should the three time Brisbane premiership captain be given the senior job in September This maybe fits in with the idea of Voss as match day coach, with a more senior figure overlooking the Coaching Directors post. Then there was this from Richard Pratt: Quote: 'Voss is the sort of bloke the club would be very interested in having. He's the type of guy who would do a good job at Carlton. He proved himself as a player of outstanding quality'. Pratt is usually pretty understated, so that seemed to me to be a fair rap for Michael's coaching aspirations. Finally, this was quoted as well: Quote: Carlton chief executive Greg Swann confirmed yesterday that Ratten had accepted the stand-in role after fellow assistant coach Craig Bradley rejected an offer from the club to be the interim coach
This fits in with what BrizzyBlue, Electric Blue, and Synbad had all been intimating that Bradley would be the one to get the caretaker role. I guess I'll just say that it seems like there are interesting times ahead |
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| Author: | Blueboy [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:47 am ] |
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Would Marc Murphy knocking back the Lions be an issue if Voss became coach? You'd hope Murph would not feel too uncomfortable. |
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| Author: | mjonc [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:50 am ] |
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Blueboy wrote: Would Marc Murphy knocking back the Lions be an issue if Voss became coach?
You'd hope Murph would not feel too uncomfortable. Murphy had no issues with Voss or any other Brisbane player/coach. |
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An issue I have with the Voss ticket |
Speakers wrote: An issue I have with the Voss ticket is he seems to want to bring over all his Lions buddies (McRea, Leppitsch, Scott). Now, they might very well be good assistants, but it smacks of a boys club to me. The assistants Vossy brings over should be the best available, not just his mates. Just seems a bit too narrow minded if you ask me.
It shouldn't surprise you Speakers that Vossy is bringing his own ex team-mates along for the ride because as some seem to have forgotten, the GUY HAS NO PREVIOUS COACHING EXPERIENCE and therefore would not choose outside of what and who he knows. |
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| Author: | Speakers [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:52 am ] |
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The reasons for bringing his own people is irrelevant, the issue is whether they are the best. |
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| Author: | ScottSaunders [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:06 am ] |
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am i the only one that doesnt want Voss as head coach? just about any other role and i would love to have him at the club. mentor to the leadership group, development coach, assistant coach would all be great roles, and a superb signing. but i cringe at the idea of him being the senior coach. we have to much to lose if an untried coach is a failure. |
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| Author: | thedominator [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:17 am ] |
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On SEN this morning Essendon* supporters claiming they have Voss signed sealed and delivered. As apparently we do as well. Vossy is going to be a busy man next year. No wonder he needs mentors and a heap of assistants around him...
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:20 am ] |
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ScottSaunders wrote: am i the only one that doesnt want Voss as head coach?
just about any other role and i would love to have him at the club. mentor to the leadership group, development coach, assistant coach would all be great roles, and a superb signing. but i cringe at the idea of him being the senior coach. we have to much to lose if an untried coach is a failure. I agree, he has created all of this hype around himself - it is a risk taking him on, I also don't like the idea of having WB back at the club either. |
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| Author: | exsing [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:25 am ] |
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Personally, I am not keen on an untried coach. Why go down the route of uncertainty, when everything the board has done to date, has been to lift us up from these uncertainties. All the promises of getting the club back to where it once belong etc, will be directly contradicted by installing an untried ex player as a senior coach. I personally favour McKenna. In fact, I would favour anyone who has experience over someone who has not coached before. |
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| Author: | sinbagger [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:30 am ] |
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exsing wrote: Personally, I am not keen on an untried coach. Why go down the route of uncertainty, when everything the board has done to date, has been to lift us up from these uncertainties. All the promises of getting the club back to where it once belong etc, will be directly contradicted by installing an untried ex player as a senior coach.
I personally favour McKenna. In fact, I would favour anyone who has experience over someone who has not coached before. You mean you'd like to see a coach with lots of success and experience in the past, someone like Pagan before he was brought on board? I think there's no safe option based on experience 
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| Author: | Cazzesman [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: An issue I have with the Voss ticket |
Speakers wrote: An issue I have with the Voss ticket is he seems to want to bring over all his Lions buddies (McRea, Leppitsch, Scott). Now, they might very well be good assistants, but it smacks of a boys club to me. The assistants Vossy brings over should be the best available, not just his mates. Just seems a bit too narrow minded if you ask me.
Unlike the ticket that might consist of Rats, Braddles, Sos and Mitchell. 
The names you have listed are pure media speculation, just like my names above. Regards Cazzesman |
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| Author: | exsing [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:51 am ] |
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sinbagger wrote: exsing wrote: Personally, I am not keen on an untried coach. Why go down the route of uncertainty, when everything the board has done to date, has been to lift us up from these uncertainties. All the promises of getting the club back to where it once belong etc, will be directly contradicted by installing an untried ex player as a senior coach. I personally favour McKenna. In fact, I would favour anyone who has experience over someone who has not coached before. You mean you'd like to see a coach with lots of success and experience in the past, someone like Pagan before he was brought on board? I think there's no safe option based on experience Is that what I really meant? I was not aware that's what I really meant. I thought I meant I would prefer someone with experience as opposed to what you think I meant, which is someone who has had lots of success and experience ala Pagan. You should move on from Pagan. He has been sacked. Why misconstrue what I've typed back into the Pagan issue? |
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| Author: | Indie [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:01 pm ] |
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I'm a Voss cynic too. AFL footy seems to be very much like the fashion industry or politics. Clubs follow trends, until another trend becomes apparent. That would be fine if we could shed our choices each year like some do with their fashion items, without any consequences. But the fact is that we have to live with the consequences for 2 or 3 years at least, and we'll be behind the 8 ball if things go wrong. Those who point to the appointment of Pagan as proof that experienced coaches aren't all they're cracked up to be now want to go to the opposite extreme. But what happens if that oppposite extreme is just as unsuccessful? Rather than leap on whatever happens to be the trend at the time and going for broke (as we did with Pagan at a time when experienced coaches were popular choices), we should be more circumspect. Connolly and Daniher shouldn't be totally ignored. In particular, Daniher has managed to take a list which was only just above average at the best to frequent finals appearances. He's very affable in a laid-back country-boy fashion, and offers a considerable change from Pagan's style. But he would have learned a lot from his stint at Melbourne. With half a year off, he'll also have had some time to recuperate and re-energise. And assistant coaches like McKenna, Harvey, Longmire and Bond now have significant track histories which will make it easier to make educated guesses about how they will fare as senior coaches. Voss is a real gamble. Even the notion that he needs someone to hold his hand is astounding, and if he hits heavy weather he'll face intense scrutiny and scepticism from senior players and tough backroom boys if he does bring in a mentor. There will be a swing back to more experienced coaches soon. The current infatuation with recently retired players isn't reflected in overseas competitions. Please, don't be sucked in to me-too thinking. |
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| Author: | Molly [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:04 pm ] |
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I'm still just amused that people are lying awake at night worrying about this. Do you guys think Swann is a dill? Do you think Icke is a dill? Do you think Pratt is a dill? Do you think our Board members (on the whole) are dills? Relax... these are the people making the decisions. Just let them do it, and spend some time fussing about something you have some sort of control over (like how you are going to vote in November or something). I couldn't be happier with the hands that this club is currently in, and whoever they select as coach has my 110% support. |
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| Author: | JohnM [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:14 pm ] |
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Most people think Kernahan's a dill though. Personally, I have complete faith in the three guys mentioned. It's just that after 5+ years of absolute administrative incompetence, you can't help but be a little concerned. It's probably more to do with the past than the future... |
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| Author: | Fevolution [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:21 pm ] |
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Guy Mckenna is the man |
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| Author: | Indie [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:26 pm ] |
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JohnM wrote: Most people think Kernahan's a dill though.
Personally, I have complete faith in the three guys mentioned. It's just that after 5+ years of absolute administrative incompetence, you can't help but be a little concerned. It's probably more to do with the past than the future... If Sticks has lost his influence, and Swann and Icke now are calling the shots, then we will be in good hands. But political power doesn't disappear over night. Sticks will no doubt still have his backers, and Swann will have to be careful. |
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| Author: | Cazzesman [ Thu Jul 26, 2007 12:30 pm ] |
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Fevolution wrote: Guy Mckenna is the man
Why? I heard he would trade Fev if he gets the job. 
Regards Cazzesman |
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