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will new coach pickup experienced players ??
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Author:  true blue [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  will new coach pickup experienced players ??
Whoever the new coach is for next season, do you think he will look at picking up a player or 2 with some experience & leadership qualities to bolster or support all of our kids

It seems fairly obvious the younger players need some leadership around them & they don't seem to be getting too much at the moment from the current players, also we don't have a lot of experience on the park each week

What are everyone's thoughts on picking up some experienced players - KPP would be an absolute bonus, i know about the youth policy thing but geez some experience & leadership goes a long way in my opinion
Author:  Donstuie [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:47 pm ]
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A lot of it comes down to what the club wants to do with Fev. I feel that if we want to get good experienced KPPs traded here, Fev's the key. There's not much else here that would excite other clubs (ecept 1st rd draft picks, which I don't think we should throw away).
Author:  koutahootarootafides [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:56 pm ]
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I think as sad as it is given my love of tradition and history, but Waite has to be looked at

he is frustrating prospect, but we could be used to see what we can snare.
Author:  winfieldblue [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:22 pm ]
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i hope so, coz the youth policy can flower right off for couple of years...
Author:  buzzaaaah [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:24 pm ]
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I cannot see any sense in trading Waite. he's young talented and tall. What more do you flower want?

We had the chance to get Polak last year and we didnt. Kangaroos have made an All-Aistralian FB almost out of Firrito and Pratt is firing as well. Campbell Brown is an inform Key backman at 184cm or whatever he is. You don't have to sell the family silverware. A big bodied atheletic type will do.
Author:  Hunter u Champ [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:41 pm ]
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Waites been thrown around the park to plug holes for the team, he young and talented and a captain of carlton.
We have invested to much in him to trade off. Tied to the blues by blood we dont give them away,club loyalty is hard to instill now days.
Author:  Elwood Blues1 [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:47 pm ]
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Need to grow our own..no one wants our players they only want our draft picks and the senior players available on the market are the Ackland types who just want a generous contract to retire on....ie Jamie Charman...

Waite can play and is capable of a better more consistent effort and a new coach needs to be given the chance to make him a better player....
Author:  Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:53 pm ]
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Hunter u Champ wrote:
Waites been thrown around the park to plug holes for the team, he young and talented and a captain of carlton.
We have invested to much in him to trade off. Tied to the blues by blood we dont give them away,club loyalty is hard to instill now days.


At least give him the benefit of a few games in the same position
Author:  thedominator [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:55 pm ]
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
Need to grow our own..no one wants our players they only want our draft picks and the senior players available on the market are the Ackland types who just want a generous contract to retire on....ie Jamie Charman...

Waite can play and is capable of a better more consistent effort and a new coach needs to be given the chance to make him a better player....


I agree. Although I wouldn't mind one experienced mid 20's type as part of a trade. But re key defenders we do need to grow our own. Maybe they are there waiting in the bullants. I have a good feeling about some likely backmen in the two's such as Austin, Flint and Jamieson.

They just need to be given some game time and a consistant position to play in. The back line does need one experienced head to bring all these kids together. Surely we can pick up an established defender over the summer.
Author:  ScottSaunders [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:06 pm ]
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Hunter u Champ wrote:
Waites been thrown around the park to plug holes for the team, he young and talented and a captain of carlton.
We have invested to much in him to trade off. Tied to the blues by blood we dont give them away,club loyalty is hard to instill now days.


besides i reckon if the new coach comes in and gives Waite the CHB role (which IMO is his best position) he will kill it and his value to the club will sky rocket :-D

this is the team i would like to see us play this year/next year

FF - Fisher - Fevola - Betts
HF - Gibbs - Kennedy - Houlihan
C- Simpson - Scotland - Russel
HB - Thorton - Waite - Walker
FB - Bower - Setanta - Anderson
Ruck - Cloke, Murphy, Stevens


Interchange consisting of
-Blackwell/Carazzo/Bentick (Midfielder Role)
-Aisake/Krezer/Hampson/Jacobs (Ruck Role)
-Griggs/ (Defender Role)
-Hartlett/Lappin/Edwards (Forward Role)


Players no longer with the club
Teague, Saddington, McClaren, Kouta, Bannister, Aikland

Players on notice
Raso (If he can get fit he is gone), Young, Wiggins, Whintall (If he cant get fit he is gone), Aikland (not delisted because of two year contract)
Author:  Donstuie [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:12 pm ]
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ScottSaunders wrote:
this is the team i would like to see us play this year/next year

FF - Fisher - Fevola - Betts
HF - Gibbs - Kennedy - Houlihan
C- Simpson - Scotland - Russel
HB - Thorton - Waite - Walker
FB - Bower - Setanta - Anderson
Ruck - Cloke, Murphy, Stevens


I see no reason why this team couldn't be competitive next year. None whatsoever.

(although I'd have Carazzo on the field rather than Russell. Bentick too deserves another shot. )
Author:  BIBI01 [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:14 pm ]
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how often do you pick up players from other clubs with leadership qualities, that will be in your best 18 and you do not have to give up the world to get them?

great if it can happen and in theory, but for us to get the players we need we are going to have to pay way over the odds.

realistically the players on our list that could be 'traded' have little trade currency (bar fev, at this stage)
Author:  keogh [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:33 pm ]
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Trade Fevola for a first rounder and a established ruckman(Port Adelaide first rounder and Minson maybe)


Just play kids

Delist Whitnall, Lappin, Kouta, Saddington, McLaren, Teague, Bannister,Scotland, Houlihan, Wiggins,Ackland


Make Simpson captain

Murphy wil get his go

Thats 12 guys off the list

Promote Jackson, Jamison, Aisake and Jacobs along with Minson


This would leave chosing 7 youngsters in the draft



Lets clean out all the deadwood and start the rebuilding stage


No need to keep these players because of age, lack of application, softness and offfield behaviour and being a sookie, sookie la la

These guys wont be part of the successful Carlton that will start to occur in 2009 onwards.

And take Sticks with you.
Author:  Princes Park Whistler [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:54 pm ]
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ScottSaunders wrote:
Hunter u Champ wrote:
Waites been thrown around the park to plug holes for the team, he young and talented and a captain of carlton.
We have invested to much in him to trade off. Tied to the blues by blood we dont give them away,club loyalty is hard to instill now days.


besides i reckon if the new coach comes in and gives Waite the CHB role (which IMO is his best position) he will kill it and his value to the club will sky rocket :-D

this is the team i would like to see us play this year/next year

FF - Fisher - Fevola - Betts
HF - Gibbs - Kennedy - Houlihan
C- Simpson - Scotland - Russel
HB - Thorton - Waite - Walker
FB - Bower - Setanta - Anderson
Ruck - Cloke, Murphy, Stevens


Interchange consisting of
-Blackwell/Carazzo/Bentick (Midfielder Role)
-Aisake/Krezer/Hampson/Jacobs (Ruck Role)
-Griggs/ (Defender Role)
-Hartlett/Lappin/Edwards (Forward Role)


Players no longer with the club
Teague, Saddington, McClaren, Kouta, Bannister, Aikland

Players on notice
Raso (If he can get fit he is gone), Young, Wiggins, Whintall (If he cant get fit he is gone), Aikland (not delisted because of two year contract)
Spot on Scott.That side offers speed,skill and potential with enough experience to make us very competative next year.Throw in the new coach and an uncontracted player in the PSD and things can change quickly.
Author:  Elwood Blues1 [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:17 pm ]
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
ScottSaunders wrote:
Hunter u Champ wrote:
Waites been thrown around the park to plug holes for the team, he young and talented and a captain of carlton.
We have invested to much in him to trade off. Tied to the blues by blood we dont give them away,club loyalty is hard to instill now days.


besides i reckon if the new coach comes in and gives Waite the CHB role (which IMO is his best position) he will kill it and his value to the club will sky rocket :-D

this is the team i would like to see us play this year/next year

FF - Fisher - Fevola - Betts
HF - Gibbs - Kennedy - Houlihan
C- Simpson - Scotland - Russel
HB - Thorton - Waite - Walker
FB - Bower - Setanta - Anderson
Ruck - Cloke, Murphy, Stevens


Interchange consisting of
-Blackwell/Carazzo/Bentick (Midfielder Role)
-Aisake/Krezer/Hampson/Jacobs (Ruck Role)
-Griggs/ (Defender Role)
-Hartlett/Lappin/Edwards (Forward Role)


Players no longer with the club
Teague, Saddington, McClaren, Kouta, Bannister, Aikland

Players on notice
Raso (If he can get fit he is gone), Young, Wiggins, Whintall (If he cant get fit he is gone), Aikland (not delisted because of two year contract)
Spot on Scott.That side offers speed,skill and potential with enough experience to make us very competative next year.Throw in the new coach and an uncontracted player in the PSD and things can change quickly.


Not enough muscle and grunt..we need some new kids who have the right build, attitude and can give us some mongrel.
We have too many softish players who cant tackle and who cant fly the flag and get that spirit that the Kangaroos for example do have.
That team is also very slow...we cant compete with other teams who have express speedsters...pace has been an ongoing issue for years and is continuing to be ignored.
The recruiters have much more work to do.......
Author:  Cyclonus [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:14 pm ]
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Like Shannon Hurn maybe?
Author:  sstormin123 [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:26 pm ]
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Cyclonus wrote:
Like Shannon Hurn maybe?


:evil: :evil: :evil:
Author:  ScottSaunders [ Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:34 pm ]
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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
We have too many softish players who cant tackle and who cant fly the flag and get that spirit that the Kangaroos for example do have.


not going to happen anytime soon, you talk of kangaroos, who are their enforcers? they certainly arent their kids, its the senior players.


to get some of those in, we will need to recruit mature bodies.

also, i dont think that side is as slow as you may think it is

anderson, griggs, walker, bower, simpson, russel, houlihand, betts all have abut of toe about them

but that is also something we can look at in the upcoming draft.

but i do liken us to Geelong. I think we will improve next year, but still have a few shit games, but generally will be alot more consitent.

year after we will take another step, another pre-season, players becoming stronger etc.., year after that (2010) should see us aiming towards finals and having a fair crack.

i dont think our list is as bad as what many say, its the one thing i have agreed with on Pagan, we need time to give them a couple more preasons, time for them to mature into the roles.


Team for 2008 (im not a 100% sure of the ages, but they are what i think they are)

FF - Fisher (22) - Fevola (26) - Betts (21)
HF - Gibbs (18) - Kennedy (19) - Houlihan (25)
C- Simpson(22) - Scotland (26) - Russel (21)
HB - Thorton (22) - Waite (23) - Walker (22)
FB - Bower (20) - Setanta (23) - Anderson (19)
Ruck - Cloke (22) Murphy (20) Stevens (27)
Int - Krezuer (18) Aisake (21) Griggs (18) Blackwell (21) Hartlett (22)

and that doesnt include what else we get in this years draft

same team, 2010, and about 200kgs heavier and alot fitter across the board

FF - Fisher (25) - Fevola (29) - Betts (24)
HF - Gibbs (21) - Kennedy (22) - Houlihan (28)
C- Simpson(25) - Scotland (29) - Russel (24)
HB - Thorton (25) - Waite (26) - Walker (25)
FB - Bower (23) - Setanta (26) - Anderson (22)
Ruck - Cloke (25) Murphy (23) Stevens (30)
Int - Krezuer (21) Aisake (24) Griggs (21) Blackwell (24) Hartlett (25)

and suddenly, with all players around 10kgs more, some less, some more, and alot fitter and stronger, and we start to see a good side on the park.

if we do it right, we can create a dynasty, and that is with vastly using the majority of the team we have (assuming they come on as expected)
Author:  Blue Sombrero [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:18 am ]
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Hunter u Champ wrote:
Waites been thrown around the park to plug holes for the team, he young and talented and a captain of carlton.
We have invested to much in him to trade off. Tied to the blues by blood we dont give them away,club loyalty is hard to instill now days.

True all round.
He should play all his footy at one end of the ground. HFF or HB but not be rotated every week.
The kid is a natural gamewinner and the last player we should get rid of.
Author:  Clayman [ Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:55 am ]
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Get Judd for Fev and Pick 19 (or there abouts) OR pick 3 and 19 - we must keep the number 1 pick.

Judd is the only experienced player we should look at and trade for.

Otherwise we continue to develop our own stars.
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