TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Lead the way Kernahan

I really worry about this extra draft pick (pick 1) coming into a squad that is in the state that ours is in.

By resigning ... then others who can face reality can follow.

All well and good folks blaming Pagan but who from the football department on the board has presided over so many costly errors on our club.

Sticks might be a great bloke but he is not for running a football club. Kevin and Bob Rose were great Collingwood people but were not for running the club.

If one of the sources of the problem remains on the board then how do we turn things around.

I look at other teams and I see a number of 25 plus age players running around ... those clubs had the same opportunities as we did in the drafts.

I look at other teams and they have some quick wippets running around that compliment the rest of the team ... those clubs had the same opportunities as we did in the drafts.

Kernahan presides over this area and he has failed.

DON'T JUST BLAME PAGAN ... if Pagan goes how does that make us respect our losing margin, how does that all of a sudden gives us speed with the ball, how does that makes us run both ways, how does it give us good foot disposal.

I think Pagan should go but he should have gone long ago for his stand off with Mitchell. This alone is a breach of his contract. The moment Pagan did this he should have been shown the door.

I really worry about this extra draft pick (pick 1) coming into a squad that is in the state that ours is in.

And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell?

Hold on a minute.

Last I looked, Sticks is not a paid employee of the club.

Denis is. And he is a well paid employee to boot.

So is Hughes.

Sorry, but ultimately Denis is responsible for how the team is prepared, how they approach a game, how they follow instructions, the intensity they display etc etc etc.

I hear what you say about Sticks but I can't fathom how many blokes in the media protect Pagan and Sheedy. It's almost as if they are untouchable. Coaching gods never to be questioned.

George Harris wrote:

And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell?

Because he is not a suitable replacement for Pagan? He wasn't when the board voted on it, and based on the Bullants performance this year he still isn't. One of the tasks Icke has been given is to resolve the standoff between Pagan and Mitchell.

I'm assuming we'll see the results of this at the end of the year.

3) don't watch carlton play and therefore you won't know how poorly they play.

The buck stops with the coach

SparkyBlue wrote:

George Harris wrote:

And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell?

Sorry. I still don't get it.
He may not be good enough at his job, but why does that prevent people from being professional and communicating?

But for F...***%%ks sake do you we only blame the coach?

What about the MC? What about recruiting?

Mate, huge questions about Stephen Kernahan?

Tell me why that our players aren't having a go, showing heart, showing

pride for wearing the NAVY BlUE jumper.

Bloody hell, talk about lack of leadership? Never has been any this year

on the field. And only lately there has been some off the field.

I just hope that this time next year are making some positive inroads.

We are bloody rabble and it shouldn't be just denis pagan that is given

the arse!!! Alot of senior players can also be shown the door!!!

Author:	dadadadada [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:38 pm ]
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By resigning ... then others who can face reality can follow. All well and good folks blaming Pagan but who from the football department on the board has presided over so many costly errors on our club. Sticks might be a great bloke but he is not for running a football club. Kevin and Bob Rose were great Collingwood people but were not for running the club. If one of the sources of the problem remains on the board then how do we turn things around. I look at other teams and I see a number of 25 plus age players running around ... those clubs had the same opportunities as we did in the drafts. I look at other teams and they have some quick wippets running around that compliment the rest of the team ... those clubs had the same opportunities as we did in the drafts. Kernahan presides over this area and he has failed. DON'T JUST BLAME PAGAN ... if Pagan goes how does that make us respect our losing margin, how does that all of a sudden gives us speed with the ball, how does that makes us run both ways, how does it give us good foot disposal. I think Pagan should go but he should have gone long ago for his stand off with Mitchell. This alone is a breach of his contract. The moment Pagan did this he should have been shown the door. I really worry about this extra draft pick (pick 1) coming into a squad that is in the state that ours is in.

Author:	keogh [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:40 pm ]
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Agree Swann and Icke given their track records will hopefully see us right in this area.

Author:	Lace Out [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:44 pm ]
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Quote: I really worry about this extra draft pick (pick 1) coming into a squad that is in the state that ours is in. I hear ya.... The expectancy and weight on his shoulders will be unbelievable. Only the fact that we have a few other prize draft picks might take some pressure off him in the first year or two......

Author:	budzy [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:23 pm ]
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Agreed. Pagan & Sticks have failed dismally in their roles as head honchos of the FD and both must be removed from this area. Yes, lack of resources doesn't help but Kangas & Bulldogs have competed well with minimul resources so that can't be used as an excuse for such a poor record over the last 5 years. Pagan should've been sacked years ago. Sticks should join his mate big Jack amongst the coteries and stay away from the board & FD decisons.

Author:	Siegfried [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:32 pm ]
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You'll get no argument from me.

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Author:	SparkyBlue [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:40 pm ]
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dadadadada wrote: By resigning ... then others who can face reality can follow. All well and good folks blaming Pagan but who from the football department on the board has presided over so many costly errors on our club. Sticks might be a great bloke but he is not for running a football club. Kevin and Bob Rose were great Collingwood people but were not for running the club. If one of the sources of the problem remains on the board then how do we turn things around. I look at other teams and I see a number of 25 plus age players running around ... those clubs had the same opportunities as we did in the drafts. I look at other teams and they have some quick wippets running around that compliment the rest of the team ... those clubs had the same opportunities as we did in the drafts. Kernahan presides over this area and he has failed. DON'T JUST BLAME PAGAN ... if Pagan goes how does that make us respect our losing margin, how does that all of a sudden gives us speed with the ball, how does that makes us run both ways, how does it give us good foot disposal. I think Pagan should go but he should have gone long ago for his stand off with Mitchell. This alone is a breach of his contract. The moment Pagan did this he should have been shown the door. I really worry about this extra draft pick (pick 1) coming into a squad that is in the state that ours is in. (NOTE : sadly... this is my 500th post on TC. And, surprisingly it is defending Pagan.) It has to be said (and this is confirmed) that Pagan was not the lone wolf regarding the standoff with Mitchell... if you'd have read further into this, you'll know that Pagan didn't initiate the standoff - it was more orchestrated by the MC.

Author:	George Harris [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:47 pm ]
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And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell?

Author:	SparkyBlue [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:52 pm ]
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George Harris wrote: And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell? Because he is not a suitable replacement for Pagan? He wasn't when the board voted on it, and based on the Bullants performance this year he still isn't. One of the tasks Icke has been given is to resolve the standoff between Pagan and Mitchell. I'm assuming we'll see the results of this at the end of the year.

Author:	Donstuie [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:56 pm ]
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In Sticks' defense, wasn't he the party responsible for getting Pratt back to the club?

Author:	Rhys26 [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:57 pm ]
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In a way I feel sorry for Pagan to be carrying most of the blame because Stephen Kernahan has a lot to answer for our current predicament. When will sticks ever be accountable for some of his decisions that have decimated the club?? Until he remains a power of influence at the club we will be going no where

Author:	preacher [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:24 pm ]
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Hold on a minute. Last I looked, Sticks is not a paid employee of the club. Denis is. And he is a well paid employee to boot. So is Hughes. Sorry, but ultimately Denis is responsible for how the team is prepared, how they approach a game, how they follow instructions, the intensity they display etc etc etc. I hear what you say about Sticks but I can't fathom how many blokes in the media protect Pagan and Sheedy. It's almost as if they are untouchable. Coaching gods never to be questioned.

Author:	chubbyruss [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:29 pm ]
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preacher wrote: Hold on a minute. Last I looked, Sticks is not a paid employee of the club. Denis is. And he is a well paid employee to boot. So is Hughes. Sorry, but ultimately Denis is responsible for how the team is prepared, how they approach a game, how they follow instructions, the intensity they display etc etc etc. I hear what you say about Sticks but I can't fathom how many blokes in the media protect Pagan and Sheedy. It's almost as if they are untouchable. Coaching gods never to be questioned. The buck stops with the coach

Author:	George Harris [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:48 pm ]
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SparkyBlue wrote: George Harris wrote: And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell? Because he is not a suitable replacement for Pagan? He wasn't when the board voted on it, and based on the Bullants performance this year he still isn't. One of the tasks Icke has been given is to resolve the standoff between Pagan and Mitchell. I'm assuming we'll see the results of this at the end of the year. Sorry. I still don't get it. He may not be good enough at his job, but why does that prevent people from being professional and communicating?

Author:	Wangers [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:49 pm ]
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Kernahan, Pagan and the MC should fall on their sword.... As Mark Thompson said at one of his after match press conferences..."you're all responsibile....(pause) all of you (pause) all of you"

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Author:	1979 Norm Smith medal [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:36 pm ]
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Kernahan has got to go with Pagan - for the good of the club we need a new direction. To the Chairman of Match Committee- please let the club start again refreshed and revitalised. You have had your go - now please leave and support the club from a coterie position. You are going to undo all the good work you did as a player if you stay. As chairman of the match committee - Kernahan makes a good log fire. why is ackland still playing first grade? why has it taken until week 14 or whatever for Bower to get a proper run? why has Bryce Gibbs being played in the back pocket for almost the whole year? etc. etc. We have three options to prevent seeing the 120 thrashings - 1) leave the AFL and join the VFL - ala a breakaway competition with Sandringham, Port Melbourne etc. It happened 100 years ago - why can't it happen again? 2) sack pagan and ask Kernahan to leave 3) don't watch carlton play and therefore you won't know how poorly they play. At this stage - option 3 is the most acceptable for me. I am proud to say I only watched the last quarter of this match. Therefore the pain was minimised by 3 quarters.

Author:	Megaman [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:02 pm ]
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1979 Norm Smith medal wrote: 3) don't watch carlton play and therefore you won't know how poorly they play. This has worked for me these last few weeks...not that the @#$%&! UNPRECEDENTED coverage would have it any other way

Author:	zoneman [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:14 pm ]
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chubbyruss wrote: The buck stops with the coach The fish rots at the head, in other words. You can only go by how a coach is going by how his team is going. Need I say more. That's all we go by because we are not privy to what are the everyday workings of the coach. We should be doing much, much better, IMO. Wayne Carey says that it's our list because we all know where his allegiances lie. Our list is not that bad. We are being managed poorly by the football department. I'm sorry Denis, it is time to go

Author:	SparkyBlue [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 8:23 pm ]
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George Harris wrote: SparkyBlue wrote: George Harris wrote: And what possible reason could the match commitee have for not wanting to speak to Mitchell? Because he is not a suitable replacement for Pagan? He wasn't when the board voted on it, and based on the Bullants performance this year he still isn't. One of the tasks Icke has been given is to resolve the standoff between Pagan and Mitchell. I'm assuming we'll see the results of this at the end of the year. Sorry. I still don't get it. He may not be good enough at his job, but why does that prevent people from being professional and communicating? Ok, what's the reason for tying it in with the MC - and blaming them as whole for not being 'professional and communicating'!?!? You must have some rationale for not pushing this point further than this statement!?

Author:	Stealth [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:17 pm ]
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But for F...***%%ks sake do you we only blame the coach? What about the MC? What about recruiting? Mate, huge questions about Stephen Kernahan? Tell me why that our players aren't having a go, showing heart, showing pride for wearing the NAVY BlUE jumper. Bloody hell, talk about lack of leadership? Never has been any this year on the field. And only lately there has been some off the field. I just hope that this time next year are making some positive inroads. We are bloody rabble and it shouldn't be just denis pagan that is given the arse!!! Alot of senior players can also be shown the door!!!

Author:	Wangers [ Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:22 pm ]
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Stealth wrote: But for F...***%%ks sake do you we only blame the coach? What about the MC? What about recruiting? Mate, huge questions about Stephen Kernahan? Tell me why that our players aren't having a go, showing heart, showing pride for wearing the NAVY BlUE jumper. Bloody hell, talk about lack of leadership? Never has been any this year on the field. And only lately there has been some off the field. I just hope that this time next year are making some positive inroads. We are bloody rabble and it shouldn't be just denis pagan that is given the arse!!! Alot of senior players can also be shown the door!!! A review of all departments will be conducted. No stone will be left unturned and heads will roll - guaranteed!!!!