Yep, I'm on the goal kicking bandwagon too. Have been for a while.
We should have won the game last weekend. Comfortably.
Poor kicking is poor football.
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Kicking for goal |
Our kicking for goal has been diabolical for years and has cost us a few precious wins over the last few years Surely we must get better at it - waite needs to do a fair bit of it twice missed really gettable goals - even simmo ran into open goal and missed -LAPPIN missed a few -youngs last kick for goal terrible Fisher has really improved would really like to see the team improve -there is no one in the team that you would back to kick a clutch goal Isnt it so frustrating when the side dominates for 10 minutes in third quarter and kicks points -could have put the game on ice |
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| Author: | Hunter u Champ [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:09 pm ] |
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It's got to be between the ears, confidence and having no fear. Setanta scares me with his kicking for goal. Love his routine and at least he has one. Just appears to get very close to the man on the mark. |
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| Author: | chubbyruss [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:23 pm ] |
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Waite's 2 missess were terrible. I thought he must have been Tanking |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:51 pm ] |
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It's essentially between the ears - techniques are breaking down when they get nervous. Take Setanta's set shots: First half - marked a spot 3 metres shy of the mark to finish his kick by - had a fairly standard grip of the ball Second half - didn't mark that spot - gripped the ball to close to the end closest to him Just like how Waite leans back on some kicks and 'throttles' the ball, how a bloke might not settle into a rhythm to overcome a tired leg, etc. |
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| Author: | mikkey [ Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:55 pm ] |
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It is typical for teams/players who lack confidence that they miss set shot. Not a Carlton issue as such. The same players who missed all these goals today would put them throuigh if there was more confindence and cohesion. |
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| Author: | camel [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:42 pm ] |
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Yep, I'm on the goal kicking bandwagon too. Have been for a while. We should have won the game last weekend. Comfortably. Poor kicking is poor football.
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:47 pm ] |
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mikkey wrote: It is typical for teams/players who lack confidence that they miss set shot. Not a Carlton issue as such. The same players who missed all these goals today would put them throuigh if there was more confindence and cohesion.
Agree Mikkey. |
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| Author: | chelodina [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kicking for goal |
Why single out kicking for goal...our general field kicking is terrible. Setanta is probably a better kick than half of his team mates. What the hell does that say about the players who have been playing the game since they were 4 or 5 and what the hell does that say about our recruiting and development staff. frank dardew wrote: Our kicking for goal has been diabolical for years and has cost us a few precious wins over the last few years
Surely we must get better at it - waite needs to do a fair bit of it twice missed really gettable goals - even simmo ran into open goal and missed -LAPPIN missed a few -youngs last kick for goal terrible Fisher has really improved would really like to see the team improve -there is no one in the team that you would back to kick a clutch goal Isnt it so frustrating when the side dominates for 10 minutes in third quarter and kicks points -could have put the game on ice |
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:50 pm ] |
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Like Denis says, it's all the kids' fault 
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| Author: | blueboysean [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:52 pm ] |
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Since kicking is the basic skill in football, perhaps there should be more of an emphasis on kicking the football, not just at goal. I am a huge advocate of the effect that confidence has on a player's ability, but Waite and Walker are consistently inconsistent. This suggests it is not 100% psychological. maybe 80%. Setanta needs work on his run up. That kick out on the full may have been because he got so close he had a quick panic flash and tried to angle it differently, maybe around the guy on the mark. Anyway. That's my 'too sense'. |
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| Author: | blueroyal [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:16 pm ] |
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On a similar note - has anyone else noticed how accurate teams seem to be against us this season...I think in the 3rd quater at the weekend Melbourne had only kicked 3 points. The Hawks seemed to kick remarkably accurate against us as well and I am pretty sure the Dockers kicked 7 in a row without missing in the 2nd quarter last week.... |
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| Author: | chelodina [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:21 pm ] |
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it hard to miss when you are constantly kicking for goal less than 20m out. This is what happens when a side does not have a full back. no pressure in marking contests and no pressure on small forwards running into goal. We make it very easy for teams, particularly when we do not have loose players back blueroyal wrote: On a similar note - has anyone else noticed how accurate teams seem to be against us this season...I think in the 3rd quater at the weekend Melbourne had only kicked 3 points. The Hawks seemed to kick remarkably accurate against us as well and I am pretty sure the Dockers kicked 7 in a row without missing in the 2nd quarter last week....
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| Author: | thedominator [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:27 pm ] |
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frank dardew wrote: Fisher has really improved would really like to see the team improve -there is no one in the team that you would back to kick a clutch goal
...FEV |
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| Author: | Dominator_7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:55 pm ] |
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Do we have anyone who works with the forwards to help them with their goal kicking... if not, we should as its an area that we obviously need to vastly improve on.. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:26 pm ] |
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..personally, i think overall footballers are lazy.. ..they view their career with a sport mindset.. ..yes, thay are footballers.. ..yes, it's a sport.. ..but if you're not producing, you try harder.. ..i'm not advocating they practive 9 to 5 weekdays, but surely kicking can be done a few hours every single day.. ..it's not like thay have a second job (usually), so they've got plenty of free time.. ....sure, the older players can't be as fit as they used to be, likewise the young players haven't developed the egine or core body strength to see out a full game on top.. ..but for us, that's nearly our whole list.. ..age, whether young or old,, has no baring on basic kicking skill.. ..if we can't run as fast, or tackle as hard,, we can become more accurate.. ..our poor disposal around ground and in front of goal is our biggest problem, and always will be.. ..and this goes for any team, without a good foundation in football skills (kicking, handballing and marking) all the fitness, speed and muscle won't be supported.. |
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| Author: | GodisNavyBlue [ Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:28 pm ] |
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I think you have to separate having a set shot at goal from having shots on the run. Typically when taking a shot on the run most footballers do really think about what they are doing with the ball since they do not have the time. This means that a shot on the run is usually the particular footballer's innate habitual kick i.e. the one they produce when they having kick-to-kick - be that good or bad. The one thing that many footballers forget is that a shot on the run will most likely be a hook. It's amazing how many players do not allow for this sideward movement and kick at the centre of the goals. Whether the ball goes for a goal or a point can depend on how "vicious" their hook is. But at the very least they should be aiming for the goal post that matches the foot they kick. This is not rocket science (although the parabolic trajectory of a football might be), it is something that can be practised to be habit-forming. Set shots on goal are a different beast. They are more akin to a tee shot in golf. A footballer with a set shot has a lot more time to think about what he is doing so it is accompanied by lots of inner voices telling the brain what the body has to do. This is what flowers many players up. As most weekend golfers will tell you some of their best shots come when they don't "think about it". On the other hand the professional golfer develops confidence in his shot by hours of practice and regimenting the process. Given the fact that all AFL footballers are well paid sportsman then there is no excuse for not undertaking the practice and however required to make the bio-mechanical process of kicking for goal a simple act of repetition - just like a pro golfer has learnt to do. Just as an aside I cannot understand why a team-mate cannot tap the goal-kicker on the shoulder if he thinks the run-up is too short or he is getting too close to the man on the mark. |
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| Author: | Blue Sombrero [ Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:57 am ] |
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I was sitting behind the goals about 15 rows back years ago at Waverley when Jon Dorotich had a shot from about 25metres directly in front after the siren or right on it to win the game (I think it was against Richmond but I am not sure.) I was exactly over the goal umpire's head calling 'Kick it to me! Kick it to me!' because I just KNEW he was going to steer it through instead of kicking through it. He kicked it to someone else behind the points. Bastard. |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:15 am ] |
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Blue Sombrero wrote: I was sitting behind the goals about 15 rows back years ago at Waverley when Jon Dorotich had a shot from about 25metres directly in front after the siren or right on it to win the game (I think it was against Richmond but I am not sure.)
I was exactly over the goal umpire's head calling 'Kick it to me! Kick it to me!' because I just KNEW he was going to steer it through instead of kicking through it. He kicked it to someone else behind the points. Bastard. definately against Richmond - was a milestone game for Hannah, Sticks, Diesel & Braddles - a miss in the dying minutes |
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| Author: | blueycarlton [ Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:32 am ] |
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I was watching Walker on Sunday before the bounce taking shots at goal. He was getting 2 out of 3, but when it counted in the final quarter he couldn't nail it. Towards the end of last season I went to Princes Park to watch training and was amazed that there was no goal kicking practice. At the end of that session Fev, McGrath, Whitnall, and Betts were signing autographs and mucking around on the boundary and had a little competition with each other who could kick the most goals from a incredibly impossible angle. Fevola by the way, was signing autographs and having his picture taken with a ball in hand, he pushed back off the fence, took one step, wheeled around and put it through! If there is no emphasis on goal kicking, it's no wonder that players miss easy shots. Pagan says that Waite has a problem with his action. Well Waite has been at Carlton for at least 4 years surely someone could have solved it by now. Isn't that what coaches get paid to do? COACH |
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| Author: | The Duke [ Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:32 am ] |
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Dominator_7 wrote: Do we have anyone who works with the forwards to help them with their goal kicking... if not, we should as its an area that we obviously need to vastly improve on..
It's not a physical thing, it's all mental. 9.9/10 they'd kick those goals at training, yet they'd only get say 4/10 from the same position with the pressure of the game on their shoulders. We need someone who can help our boys focus. It's a bit like walking on a 6" plank of wood on the ground - you'd walk across it without a stumble every time. Lift it up 10 feet and see the difference. Put it across the grand canyon and you really sh1t yourself, yet it's the same plank of wood. They need lessons in how to block out the outside pressures and concerntrate on the things that get the job done. The slightest change in run or ball drop will see it spray. Probably just a matter of experience and confidence which will all come with time. It would be nice if we could fast track the process. |
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