Alot has been said about Fev in the last few days which brings me to this question.

What constitutes a bad attitude??

Surely Brett Thornton basically wanting out last year shows that he has a terrible attitude towards Carlton? By all accounts his body language has been terrible this year? Arguing with Scotland etc. etc. Always lambasting his teammates. Please correct me if Im wrong.

Jordan Russell ditto. His manager publicly came out and stated that he wanted out at the end of last year. What sort of attitude to the cause does he have making a statement like that?

Now lets have a look at kouta. Bagged the flower out of Pagan with less than tasteless words to a total stranger. Its a well known fact what he thinks about Dennis. Someone posted that when asked for some imput against Hawthorn , he just shrugged his shoulders and said nothing. In front of the whole playing group!! What does that say about his attitude towards our beloved cause or towards the coach.

Lets look at Matty Lappin. Has played below his best for a few years now , yet has clearly proven he still has what it takes. Has been known to question Pagans gameplan in front of the group consistently. Sounds like he has a terrible attitude to me.

Nick Stevens. One of the highest paid players at the club if not THE highest payed player. Came out in the press and commented "I havent given my all at all in the last three years". Well known for not having a fair dip at the ball during his whole career at Carlton. Geez can you imagine if Fevv had come out and said that. Sounds like Stevo has an attitude problem to me.

Lets look at Lance. Struggled with his weight nearly every year now. Perhaps this is why his body is so fooked. Loves his fish and chips and beers and apart from one year has always shown up overweight. This was the case under Parkin as well. After nearly 10 years at the club he is still the same?? Dont see Parko sinking the boot in there.

What about one of my favs , Heath Scotto Scotland. Never picking up his man. Always looks pissed that hes not playing midfield. Constantly ignoring younger teamamtes to kick to his mates (correct me if Im wrong here please). Problems with drinking and then belting women. What would you say about his attitude??

Ryan 'Hoops' Houlihan. Do I really have to talk about him?? We all know his attitude towards putting his body on the line for his mates. Top attitude that bloke. Clearly willing to sacrifice for the good of the team.... not.

Jarrad Waite earlier this year. Sure hes turned it around now but was still missing when it counted most last week. Good to see him at least come back hard but being a captain so soon after the game against Brisbane earlier this year?? Cmon , his attitude was no better than Fevvs.

Lets look at the side as a whole in the last two games. We've had 170 + points kicked against us twice in a row. Lost both games within around 20 minutes of insipid football in the seond term. You cant point the finger at Fevv for this one.

So who is to blame for these many bad attitudes we have at the club. Surely someone must be bringing the worst out in these players. Who is it? Time to figure it out before it becomes too late but by no means should we put the blame squarely on one players performance to deflect from the real problem , which is pretty much the majority of the side.

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You want the flame? Give us the marbles!!

Two ways to address this...

1. Address it individually by showing "enough is enough" and pull someone up and take action - i.e. set an example by suspending Fevola

2. Find the root of the problem causing all this disatisfaction and disharmony and remove it - i.e. sack Pagan and get a new coach who instills a team spirit

Hopefully we'll do both.

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

People need a scapegoat mate, they can't accept our thumpings for what they are. They don't want to blame the youngsters so they blame the tall poppies like Fev Lance etc.
There have been vultures waiting for a few years now for Fev to fall over. Look at them all come out this week, he'll make them eat their words again.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I just hope Fev comes back and plays for Carlton

the rest will have to wait until the end of the year

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

As you know guys,i aint no spring chicken.I have been around the joint for a long,long time.And i have seen plenty of players come and go.You guys can shitcan Fev as much as you like.But Fev is essentually a good human being.Sure,hes mad,but he aint bad.
But seeing Fev publicly humiliated,belittled, and treated like a naughty schoolboy is just plain sickening...........if this club was fairdinkum it would have put Scotland and Thornton up as well. There attitude to teamates is plain disgusting at times.Yeah,Thornton.Thats the bloke that wanted out.Thornton is the guy that Denis wrote a personal letter to,BEGGING him to stay at the club.The hypocrasy and double standards make me sick in the guts.Nothing makes me want to puke more than people who talk around corners.They say one thing but mean another.And what have they really done........they have put the "For Sale" sign on FEv.
The happenings of this week have made me distraut and inconsolable .Fev is a flower,but he deserves a whole lot more respect than has been shown to him by this so called whizkid GM.

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All my dangerous friends

Had a dream last night that he announced that he would be resigning on Wednesday ...

just after he dropped me from the side

Now I ain't no Alison Dubois but I hope at least one part of that dream comes true

this is input as an example of how ridiculous at least that part of the dream was ... but the dream said that he would resign on Wednesday immediately after selecting the side...

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

Mickstar you are a straight shooter from Frankston. You come from an area and an age where real blokes are suppose to stick together, suck it up and have a red hot go even when times a tough. You know as well as anyone that to get respect you have to give respect. Fevs respect for his team-mates of late is not the sort of thing they would tolerate down your way. Of all people I can't believe you think he has been hard done by.

He hasn't believe me. As they say down your way.

"Harden the Flower Up".

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Cazzer,i do think he is hard done by.He virtually has been told to go to his room in public.No one deserves to be humiliated in this way.Carlton FC airing there dirty linen in public is plain shithouse.........Blokes get sorted out down here well and truly Cazz.But its behind closed doors.Not a public spectacle.Gotta be united in public no matter what.
And if this whizkid Swann is fairdinkum he will follow up with Thornton and Scotland who are bigger P in the A's than FEv.

And while im on a roll Cazz,i gotta say Swann worried me right from the start.The fact that he openly stated he wanted to be more involved in footy matters set off alarm bells for me. The footy stuff aint his forte or business and he should have been told that by the powers that be.Swann is a great administrator and thats what he should stick to.Leave the footy matters to Icke coz he is far more qualified to handle that stuff.

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All my dangerous friends

Hella's Blue, George Harris, TheGame, dannyboy, Mickstar, p(12)terg, and Cazzesman are to blame.

The club is experimenting this week with Kade Simpson leading the team out onto the Dome this Sunday against the Ds, and Jarrod Waite up front, probably against Ward, Carroll, or Wheatley.

Perhaps if this combo works out, will this solve our issues?

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

Yes. All of them.

Very "respectful" comment.

Moshe,if you want to take a swipe at me ,go ahead.I can ware that.But just dont take a couple of selected extracts to suit your own argument.Poor form that.

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All my dangerous friends

For what?!

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[Sam Jacobs] looks like a 7' Lance Whitnall, and [Mitch Robinson] looks like a 4' Lance Whitnall
(The SEN team during the Carlton v Cats 2009 pre-season match)

So what is more important to Carlton supporters right now ... that Fev may in some way be humiliated and as a result the club should not have suspended him ... or that the rest of the playing group feel that no player should receive priority treatment when it comes to disciplinary issues in particular those that perpetuate.

Technically speaking Swann runs the club ... it would have been a bad start for him if he allowed Fev's attitude to fester.

I think deep down Fev has a great heart ... he has two problems ... the first being that he cannot distinguish his own performance and its value to the team (ie he doesn't understand that he can still play a great game that contributes to a win but at the same time not score a goal) ... the other problem is he doesn't realise how lucky he is.

So what is more important to Carlton supporters right now ... that Fev may in some way be humiliated and as a result the club should not have suspended him ... or that the rest of the playing group feel that no player should receive priority treatment when it comes to disciplinary issues in particular those that perpetuate.

Technically speaking Swann runs the club ... it would have been a bad start for him if he allowed Fev's attitude to fester.

I think deep down Fev has a great heart ... he has two problems ... the first being that he cannot distinguish his own performance and its value to the team (ie he doesn't understand that he can still play a great game that contributes to a win but at the same time not score a goal) ... the other problem is he doesn't realise how lucky he is.

You called him a flower, which is either:
(a) a FLOWER, which cannot possibly be complimentary or respectful; or
(b) a F****** (with some filtering) which is DEFINITELY not respectful.

You then, IN THE SAME SENTENCE, said he deserves more respect shown to him by "this so called whizkid GM".

I'm not taking a swipe, I just don't think you can have it both ways. I think he got as much respect from Swann as anyone who's called a "flower" on a public website deserves.

As background, if you can find ANYONE on this or any other Carlton supporters website that has shown more consistency or longevity in their support of Fev than me, I'll go he. AND, I think the club's done the right thing!!! (And I hope to dear god that Fev turns it around and stays).

Thats quite a list orange, who do we start with first?

bad attitudes and who to blame? - more rubbish from from those that worship Fev koresh...

You're not really questioning the attitude of our players - its just more deflection - ie Fev isnt the only one with a poor attitude. The fact is Fev has been the worse culprit over the previous few years in terms of on field attitude/demeanor. In fact, since he arrived at the club.

Fair enough he might have a good heart anda all but his head is so far up his arse that he doesnt/cant see the impact of his actions on those on his teammates and the club. His lack of basic self awareness (a 6yo has more) is compounded by a massive ego built upon the way certain supporters laud his every move. The chosen one can do no wrong in the eyes of the worshippers.

I've noted with great interest over the years how some players have been labelled cancerous towards the team/club. Fevs actions throughout his ENTIRE playing career have been cancerous - its just taken a very long time for some people (supporters and those within the club) to realise it. Had decisive (disciplinary) action been taken a lot earlier then perhaps we wouldnt be heading down the path we are today. Like all cancers, if you leave the problem to fester for too long it may be too late.

Make 'em all come back next Monday and really think about whether they want to be at this club.

But we'll start with dannyboy. His poetry is against team rules.

Then p(12)terg for having that 'terg' element unexplained when it could potentially disrupt the moral of the playing group.