I’m looking directly at you Stephen Kernahan …coz you are the key ....right NOW.

Are you going to do what’s right?

Are you going to make the necessary & blatantly obvious decisions that need to be made?

RP is waiting, sticks.

It’s time.

It’s past time.

Call him.

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There's so much I could say...

And tell him you are severing all ties with the football department. You know you have stuffed it up big time and for too long! Leave it to Stephen Icke to run things, your time has come!

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Whitnall backs Pagan

..partners in crime

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There's so much I could say...

Pagan backs Lance.
Sticks Smorgon Pagan and Malouf united.

Look unity is paramount.. but not unity in stupidity.
A sense of objectivity and planning must be what remains as the salient theme.

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And for one moment, after the Port win, I thought that Pagan, Lance, Kouta, Ackland and Saddo might stand up and be counted in our resurgence...and help the kids stand tall.

Not to be!

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This article seems to me an attempt by Whitnall to shore up his position in the team. ie back Pagan, back me, back the status quo.

If he really cared about the TEAM he would take a couple of weeks off at least to get his knee right. There is no shame in doing what is right by the team.

i'm pretty sure he's had that dodgy knee for ages.

You're surely not blaming that game on Pagan...


there's 22 people to be held accountable for that match...and Pagan isnt one of them. Dennis was solely responsible for the 2 weeks prior, shaking things up and making some good ins-outs providing more run and less Kennedy and Hartlett being stranded talls which got us 2 BIG wins. Then the same 22 men play Hawthorn and get spanked...So how is Denis Pagan responsible?...


when 6goals down would you rather Denis say 'ok boys shut up shop now and try and lose respectably' if he said that I'D WANT HIM SACKED...but no, he kept them playing their natural game, we got F*cked in the ass at it, but hell...he's letting a young group of kids, who desperately lacked leadership the other night go and play their natural game...he ought to be given praise if anything.


Nic

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Cuck Follingwood

...sign him up for another cuppla years ey??

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There's so much I could say...

im not saying he's the remedy, but he sure as hell isnt the problem.



Nic

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Cuck Follingwood

He's the biggest @#$%&! problem!

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There's so much I could say...

and how exactly?....


list management? i DARE you to name anyone who could have put us any higher than we are at the moment with the availablity of players we've had. Losing draft picks etc crippled us and Pagan has beared that brunt of that.


match day strategy?...we've got the youngest starting 22 of any team in the league yet we're playing generally free flowing quick paced footy that will eventually lead us to a premiership..

So where exactly is he the problem?...having Young players without any experience and aged players playing far from their best in Kouta and Whitnall is a problem...Pagan's situation isnt.


Nic

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Cuck Follingwood

yeah, you're right ...sign him up!!! ...QUICK!!! ...before anyone else can pinch him..

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There's so much I could say...

I blame Pagan for 24 @#$%&! beltings over 60 points

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Cheats never prosper (except in the AFL)

see being mature about it would involve you saying 'well i think this this this this and this is what hes doing wrong' and 'so and so could bring this this and this to the club should we get him as a replacement'


again...im not saying re-sign him...personally i think Gavin Crossisca would make a fine coach and i think he'll be in charge next year, but Carlton sitting 14th on the ladder is not due to Denis Pagan's incompetence.


Nic

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Cuck Follingwood

I've said this this this and this lots of times, believe me

I wouldn't mind Crosisca either ...wouldn't mind braddles as well

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There's so much I could say...

My thought at around 3/4 time was that this team was not playing for the coach.

Why?

He didn't seem to inspire them at 3/4 time. The players' performance was half hearted, except for a few kids, but that is what we have come to expect from a handful of kids. They would play like that regardless of who was coaching them...maybe put in more for all I know.

Furthermore

He didn't make any changes to ensure we didn't get a 100 point drubbling. So I can't see how, doing nothing to change the tide hasn't got anything to do with Pagan.

And

Pagan can't make hard decisions anymore. Why play an injured player with a degenerative knee, that hasn't enabled him to do sufficient training over a 5, yes 5 week period?; a minimum requirement for the modern game. Lance isn't right, and he plays Lance when he isn't right. Is that the sign of a smart coach; no one wins with that tactic.

Finally

I'm sure that a new coach, a new voice , a new approach would change everyone's perspective; players and supporters.

Sure the players are accountable and responsible for their performance on Friday, but isn't the coach's role important enough to consider as an important facilitator of the team's performance. If not, why have a coach?

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Teen Spirit I love your spirit, and there's some credence in what you say.

But, without sounding a Pagan basher, shouldn't Pagan accept any responsibility for Friday night?



Pagan selected an unfit injured player (Lance) to take the field every week. It's the wrong decision and it's his decision. He lives by the sword and he dies by the sword. Bad luck, damage done!

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Very good call...but not playing Lance and Kouta means that we rely on 2 more kids...of the 22 who played last week, Russell, Blackwell, Gibbs, Murphy, O'Hailpin, Carrazzo, Ackland, Bentick, Bannister, Simpson etc all have played less than, or around 50games...are we really to add ANOTHER 2 inexperienced kids with under-developed bodies?...Putting Kennedy and Hartlett out for Wiggins and Bannister earned us 2 wins because we got some harder bodies in the team, and Wiggins has been superb ever since. Putting ALL the kids in the side puts us in an even more vulnerable position for losing more games by 100points or more than we're currently in.

Nic

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I agree that we need at least some steadying influence regarding experience, which is why I think we should keep Kouta in the mix. But the fact is Lance isn't fit. He's injured, he's being outrun and not contributing, and as captain it cannot be good for the young guys to see their leader getting his arse kicked all the time. For his sake, and the sake of the team, he needs to take some time out to recover.

It makes Stevens' return next year all the more important.