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It was simple, kick goals instead of points and we would of won again.

I think this bagging of players and coach on TC and TBV especially is way out of context. Think about it, we were underdgos for this game, a game nobody would of pencilled in as a win at the start of the season, we played the better football, just could not capitilise on the scoreboard.

Wiggins, Waite, Walker are all improving by the week and when we do finally click and kick straight, prepare for a percentage booster.

We are still only two points out of the eight and have two of our interstate trips over with. The team is playing well and cannot be faulted for there efforts to win from where i sit. I has us down for 2 wins by round five.


well said!

The three W's are certainly showing evidence of taking that "next step", to use a footy cliche.


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One positive was that I thought our application was ok. Even when we were being beaten to the ball in the second quarter, the boys were still trying.

We'll win plenty of contests with that type of application. I'd like to see less lose opposition men after they have kicked a few in a row though, I felt that we probably need to find a way to halt sides when they get on a roll. We've improved since last year, but we could have won at least two more games this year if we had halted the opposition momentum earlier. It seemed to me like it took the half-time break to do it.


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Positives = We didn't get thrashed. :oops:


Not so funny as it sounds actually. We have been a better than good chance to win every game we've played so far. The finishing needs work - when we've got that worked out we'll be flying.


spot on - ive said it many times, and i will say it again, we need to improve our accuracy in front of goals.

with abit more accuracy in front of goals we could easily be sitting on top of the ladder with 5 wins and 0 loses.

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Blue world,

The possibility of a priority pick was a positive. Sorry about the rest.


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Blue world,

The possibility of a priority pick was a positive. Sorry about the rest.


I cannot believe some of you are talking PP....you know pigs, you know the rest :roll:


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Peter Rhode lost his job last year cos the Dogs couldnt kick straight.
Its a fine line this football isnt it???


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jbee wrote:
Blah, Blah, Blah.

We are supposed to be making small steps forward. After 5 games we have managed just 6 points of which 3 of those teams will struggle to make the 8.
Our marquee player who reckons he is worth a stack of money eye gouged a player today. This is the same bloke that said Heath Scotland was lucky not to get more weeks for what I was considerably a less serious offence than what he faces. This comment was made just before Scotlands appeal.
My only positive is that we play Hawthorn this week. Or is it?
And by the way, the AFL's indecision on the priority will be linked to our club. If we are in a position to get one then kiss it good bye.


I agree wholeheartedly.

We have not taken steps forward this year. Dangerously close to being a bottom four team again.

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There were lost of rabble teams last year.. Probably made us look better than we were...
Unless you have some leadership in a team... and some absolute class its pretty hard.
Well... personally i thought we would make the eight. I dont tink we have a snowflakes chance in hell now.. 11 from the last 17 is impossible for us.
However , were not as far as people think. We do need some shrewd trading and recruiting though.
Finishing nearer the bottom will give us another chance to pick up going forward.
We desperately need a CHF a Mitch Hahn type midfielder and another tall defender.
We need Stevens to be captain.. and T Bird /Teague to be vice.
Its over for this current leadership group in my opinion.

We need to make room in the salary cap and be ruthless doing it.
Campo should neot get any more than 220k if he doesnt like see you later. No club in their right mind would sign up a 30/31 year old for more...
Lance should be traded in my opinion.
Kouta will finish the last year of his contract and then we start afresh.(I dont have any oroblems with the way Kouta is playing.. i think hes doing ok) However these contracts are bleeding us for the output given back) Its ust not what this club needs right now. We need to start afresh... into a brave new world without these three.


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Hey Synbad - you've got the whole rest of the board to rant. Can we leave the positives thread for those of us with a little rose-colour left in our glasses?

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But if we do all those things it will be a positive!!! :D


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Synbad wrote:
But if we do all those things it will be a positive!!! :D



Hmmmmmm...... :wink:


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The lack of leadership did stand out for me - but it was heartening to know that it was our younger players who helped us get through yesterday.

I don't care if Camporeale had 24 possessions, half of his possessions weren't damaging at all. Waite was damaging with whatever he did, Walker likewise, Wiggins was brave and pulled down some good marks, even his disposal has improved.

It's the current 2nd tier players that need to pull their finger out. The youngsters mentioned above I think have hit that 2nd tier.

Our top tier needs a shake up - the Camporeale's of this world need a reality check - the manning up by the senior players left a lot to be desired. No leadership etc. - I can only echo Synbad. The senior players like Camporeale, Chambers were among our worst today.

I'm not wholly supportive of Camporeale - for the money he's on he needs to do more. Sure his disposal is good but running around getting cheap kicks and not manning up in defence is not an excuse.

I say play the kids who have something to prove - Simpson, Bentick.

I think Chambers might be in for a bit of Magoos action, ditto Bowyer and Davies. Sporn might join them. He was alright but his output could be higher.

We need players who have good disposal and Simpson and Bannister definitely have this.

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my boy Wiggins was very good again.

i must say i love how he plays... sure he has brain freezes occasionaly but he plays for the jumper. I bet Wiggo sleeps with his on.

goes where angels fear to tread.

Wiggo >> Campo. :P (Never missing an opportunity)


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Jeez a bloke gets 24 possessions equal highest with Stevens and still gets canned. No pleasing some people. Agendas, agendas.

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Bluemark he gets at least $100,000 more than Stevens so he should be getting 30 plus touches every week, plus cope with taggers, plus not getting rubbed out.
If you are on the big dollars all our expectations should be high. He is no different to Lance, Kouta and whoever else.


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So if he does not get 30 possies a week then he is a dud? He may as well give it away now then.

Try looking at the player rather than a contract that was written when large contracts where the norm and we were patting ourselves on the back about how clever we were. Some of us expressed disquiet over some of the contracts that were being written but were told to get with the program. So for people to come out and belt a player around the ears with them now is, to be honest, churlish. To gather 24 possession in a losing team is a good effort in most peoples eyes. I have just finished watching a replay of yesterdays game and to my mind Campo did very lttle wrong all day.

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Was impressed with Wiggo, Waite, Walker, Stevens and Houlihan.
Davies did a few good things today.

Anyone else think Wiggo has been taking lessons from Teaguey on how to take a mark while backing into a pack?

He did it so many times yesterday.

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There are disposals and there are disposals...
Stevens gets them hard,.

I was thinking ...stevens is our only class player at the moment (now that Fev has lost it...) and hes at the bottom of every clearace and stoppage... why waste him? We need a guy like Hahn.. to do the dirty work.
Stevens and Campo cannot be compared.
Campo = Downhill skiier and his possessions are soft compared to stevens.
Actually im rapt Stevo came to the club... great role model for Walker and Co... they would have noly had Campo to aspire to before Stevo came BM.

Arent you just rapt to see Stevo come in and show the kids what needs to be done to run a midfield???Too bad he gets bugger all support!!!!

Campo can have as many disposals as he likes BM, fact is theyre cheap on the whole.. he runs past players and seldom gets his own ball..

We need a grunt player in the middle to help out.


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Yawn :roll: with the campo rant.

positives would be:

We are above last years premiers and grand finalists on the ladder
We have travelled twice in the first five rounds and came away with two points (against the premiers)
We are the 5th highest scoring team in the league
We have youngens coming through ( carazzo, waite, wiggins )
We have not yet played any where near our best but are still only half a game outside the 8
We are the Navy Blues !!!!!

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My eyes must be playing up, over forty now so it must be expected because I swear I saw Campo take two massive hits yesterday going for the hard ball. Checked again today yep, a big hit in the last in a pack and another as he cleared the ball by foot earlier in the game.

Grrofunger, nice perspective, given that somebody else is already calling for us to tank games, third year in a row I believe and at about the same time of the year too!

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