Jarusa wrote:
Let's hope Fev doesn't have to wait until the last day of his 13 year career to get a premiership medal, like Soapy did.
i'd take that.
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:15 pm ] |
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Our top 10 goalkickers in history Quote: 1 738 Kernahan, S. 251 1986 Carl
2 722 Vallence, H. 204 1926 Carl 3 424 Jesaulenko, A. 256 1967 Carl 4 397 Clover, H. 147 1920 Carl 5 370 Ashman, R. 236 1973 Carl 6 367 Walls, R. 218 1967 Carl 7 365 Baxter, K. 153 1938 Carl 8 360 Fevola, B.* 132 1999 Carl 9 342 Gardiner, V. 157 1907 Carl 10 340 Whitnall, L.* 210 1997 Carl Not many genuine full-forwards on that list. Sticks? Good at FF but best at CHF. Vallence? Yes, one of the few. Jezza? Mainly a flanker. Really in the top 5 there is only really one genuine full-forward on that list. For some reason we're a club that hasn't been known for its spearheads in the goalsquare. Compare to Collingwood, who had Coventry, Dick Lee and Peter McKenna, or Hawthorn with Peter Hudson and Dunstall. Why is this? Not to mention the few Coleman medallists we've had, which brings me to Fev. Fevola continues to climb the list, and if we can assume that he'll play another 100+ games (and can hopefully improve his overall game as he gets older) can we expect that he'll challenge Sticks and Soapy at the top of the list? If he's able to overtake them statistically, would we regard him as our greatest full-forward? Penny for your thoughts? |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:20 pm ] |
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i think for now most people will agree that vallence is our greatest ever full forward with an average of 3.54 goals per game compared to fev's 2.73. obviously no one's going to remember soapy vallence the player but the stats say fev has a bit left to do. |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:21 pm ] |
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He probably need another 4 or 5 years of the standard he has shown to definitely say he would be considered greater than Soapy. Let's hope Fev doesn't have to wait until the last day of his 13 year career to get a premiership medal, like Soapy did. As a side note, how many teams would have a forward line with 2 or more players with 340+ goals? Sydney? Maybe a few others? |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:23 pm ] |
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Jarusa wrote: Let's hope Fev doesn't have to wait until the last day of his 13 year career to get a premiership medal, like Soapy did.
i'd take that.
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:27 pm ] |
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Jarusa wrote: He probably need another 4 or 5 years of the standard As a side note, how many teams would have a forward line with 2 or more players with 340+ goals? Sydney? Maybe a few others?
Based on the list (www.allthestats.com) Essendon*: Lloyd 791 (The turd is gonna reach 1000 the way he's going. A travesty) Lucas 398 Melbourne: Neitz 614 (their best) Robertson 344 Sydney: O'Loughlin 439 Hall 372 (counting his goals at StK I'm guessing) Bulldogs: Grant 550 Johnson 427 |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:35 pm ] |
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Donstuie wrote: Jarusa wrote: He probably need another 4 or 5 years of the standard As a side note, how many teams would have a forward line with 2 or more players with 340+ goals? Sydney? Maybe a few others? Based on the list (www.allthestats.com) Essendon*: Lloyd 791 (The turd is gonna reach 1000 the way he's going. A travesty) Lucas 398 Melbourne: Neitz 614 (their best) Robertson 344 Sydney: O'Loughlin 439 Hall 372 (counting his goals at StK I'm guessing) Bulldogs: Grant 550 Johnson 427 Thanks for that.
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| Author: | Mark J [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:09 pm ] |
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What about Ross Ditchburn,he was pretty good wasn't he?
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| Author: | Teen Spirit [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:13 pm ] |
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The AFL Team Of The Century Full Back kicked over 200goals in his time also
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| Author: | Headplant [ Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:24 am ] |
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Ashman, R was a rover. |
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| Author: | Blue Sombrero [ Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:25 pm ] |
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Headplant wrote: Ashman, R was a rover.
That, my friend, is like saying Benedict XVI is a catholic! |
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| Author: | Teen Spirit [ Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:53 pm ] |
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Headplant wrote: Ashman, R was a rover.
and what time does the 7:30 Report start? haha just stirring... we do have a history of great CHF's at the club, in recent memory Whitnall, Spalding, Hamill etc but Fevola's the only 'full forward' of the more recent bunch since the Kernahan and Pearce era. Nic |
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| Author: | chubbyruss [ Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:20 pm ] |
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"Turkey" Tom Carroll could have been our best. Booted them from 60m. Won the VFL (Coleman Medal) Goal kicking with about 54 goals when the grounds were very heavy. Unfortunately he went home to Ganmain NSW to pluck turkeys 
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| Author: | Blue Sombrero [ Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:58 am ] |
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chubbyruss wrote: "Turkey" Tom Carroll could have been our best. Booted them from 60m.
Won the VFL (Coleman Medal) Goal kicking with about 54 goals when the grounds were very heavy. Unfortunately he went home to Ganmain NSW to pluck turkeys Was he the turkey plucker or the turkey pluckers' son? He didn't ever want to play footy did he? He was the reluctant recruit if there was ever one. Bit like Davies. Neither lasted long. |
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| Author: | chubbyruss [ Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:44 am ] |
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Blue Sombrero wrote: chubbyruss wrote: "Turkey" Tom Carroll could have been our best. Booted them from 60m. Won the VFL (Coleman Medal) Goal kicking with about 54 goals when the grounds were very heavy. Unfortunately he went home to Ganmain NSW to pluck turkeys Was he the turkey plucker or the turkey pluckers' son? He didn't ever want to play footy did he? He was the reluctant recruit if there was ever one. Bit like Davies. Neither lasted long. He was one of the best kicks for goal I have ever plucking well seen. You are right though he was a vey reluctant recruit. No $400K p.a in those days |
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| Author: | Car17on [ Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:31 pm ] |
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true_blue3 wrote: i think for now most people will agree that vallence is our greatest ever full forward with an average of 3.54 goals per game compared to fev's 2.73. obviously no one's going to remember soapy vallence the player but the stats say fev has a bit left to do. He's managed 3.556* this year - on that rate he should exceed 78 goals this year, but he's not that consistent, kicking 8 in Round 3 this year but being kept to 0.2 in Round 2 and 1.2 in Round 4.
* to be verified - I have 32 goals to date, official stats have only 30. On that basis, his average would be 3.333 (only 70 goals this year). Access to the stats shot at Blueseum for the other players. |
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| Author: | rhys87 [ Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:57 pm ] |
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my dad knows someone who used to go to the footy with Vallance.... he reckons the reason people called him Soapy was because that he wasn't the most clean person going around. |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:27 pm ] |
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i was just comparing fev's stats to that of sticks and i think fevola is on track (injuries permitting) to break sticks' record for mot goals in our history. at the start of this year, fev was on 328 goals; at the same age, sticks was on 248 goals. with our midfield (and whole team in general) improving the way it is there's no reason why fev can't push sticks' record of 738 goals. |
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