Wow!! We are sitting 3rd last on the ladder with 3/4 of a premiership team playing for us currently...
...it doesn't get any better that this!!
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Sat May 26, 2007 8:39 pm ] |
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Let's say for the sake of argument (and VERY wishful thinking) that we have a team capable of winning a premiership within the next 5 years. Who do you think, from our current group, would be a part of that team? For me, I'd like to see (some gaps to be filled obviously) B Anderson O'Hailpin ??? HB Scotland Waite Thornton C Walker Gibbs Simpson HF Russell Kennedy ?????? F Betts Fevola Fisher Foll ??????? Murphy Carazzo Int: Bower Bentick Any other takers? |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:00 pm ] |
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i'll have a stab at it: FB: carrazzo o'hailpin anderson HB: russell waite thornton C: simpson walker ?? HF: fisher kennedy ?? FF: betts fevola ?? RR: (kreuzer??) gibbs murphy INT: blackwell bentick bower ?? you'd probably expect at least 3 or 4 of these guys i've named to not be getting a game/traded/delisted by the time we win our next flag (which i don't think is too far way) |
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| Author: | verbs [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:28 pm ] |
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B: Gibbs, xxx, Walker HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Murphy, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx. |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:30 pm ] |
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B: Anderson Setanta <interchangable> HB: Walker Waite T-Bird C: Gibbs Murphy Simpson HF: Houlihan <interchangable> Benji F: Betts Fevola Fisher R: Aisake Stevens Scotland Int: Carrazzo Hampson Grigg <interchangable> I then have another 11 I'd like to see on the list provided they can fit into our structure: Russell Kennedy Bower Austin Hartlett Cloke Raso Edwards Jackson Jamison Flint Looking over that, you can see why we need to target skilful smaller players in the draft or elsewhere (5/30 players <187 cms), and that we have a surplus of player types from which to create bargaining power. I should note that I do not neccessarily think that all of the remaining 13 should just be discarded as duds. Bentick, Blackwell & Jacobs could still prove to have a lot of worth, but are not particularly exceptional players at this point. |
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| Author: | Wet Willie [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:30 pm ] |
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Wow!! We are sitting 3rd last on the ladder with 3/4 of a premiership team playing for us currently... ...it doesn't get any better that this!!
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:32 pm ] |
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Indeed. They might as well just throw us the cup now and get it over-with. |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:44 pm ] |
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Oh so all you need is a good list to win a premiership? Oh ok. Sorry I posted then. 
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:47 pm ] |
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Relax guy, it's all in good fun 
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:50 pm ] |
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Donstuie wrote: Relax guy, it's all in good fun
Sorry that wasn't directed at you. 
I'm probably pre-empting more than anything. 
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| Author: | killpies [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:53 pm ] |
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verbs wrote: B: Gibbs, xxx, Walker
HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Murphy, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx. Can't agree Verbs B: xxx, xxx, xxx HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Gibbs, Walker HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, Murphy Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx |
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| Author: | verbs [ Sat May 26, 2007 9:57 pm ] |
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killpies wrote: verbs wrote: B: Gibbs, xxx, Walker HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Murphy, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx. Can't agree Verbs B: xxx, xxx, xxx HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Gibbs, Walker HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, Murphy Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx My theortical positioning of Gibbs and Walker was purely satirical.
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sat May 26, 2007 11:16 pm ] |
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killpies wrote: verbs wrote: B: Gibbs, xxx, Walker HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Murphy, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx. Can't agree Verbs B: xxx, xxx, xxx HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Gibbs, Walker HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, Murphy Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx pfft, B: Pick 1 2007, xxx, xxx HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, xxx, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx |
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| Author: | Kouta [ Sat May 26, 2007 11:52 pm ] |
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Jarusa wrote: killpies wrote: verbs wrote: B: Gibbs, xxx, Walker HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Murphy, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx. Can't agree Verbs B: xxx, xxx, xxx HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, Gibbs, Walker HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: xxx, xxx, Murphy Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx pfft, B: Pick 3 2007, xxx, xxx HB: xxx, xxx, xxx C: xxx, xxx, xxx HF: xxx, xxx, xxx F: xxx, xxx, xxx Foll: Pick 1 2007, xxx, xxx Int: xxx, xxx, xxx, xxx
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| Author: | Donstuie [ Sun May 27, 2007 12:22 am ] |
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In all seriousness who do you think would still be around from our current crop and who wouldn't? Naturally there seems a strong case about Murphy, Walker and Gibbs, but who else would you pin the expectation on? |
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| Author: | nytdog [ Sun May 27, 2007 12:32 am ] |
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If we are serious about a premiership in the next 4 years the majority of the team will have to come from our current list (probably 18-20 out of the 22 spots). This is discounting trades or acquiring good mature aged players through the drafts (most likely PSD). It's not until the mid to late 20s that players peak, so most premiership teams have an average age of around 25-26. You would expect 3-4 oldies, a bunch of 23-27 year olds and a couple of youngsters. So our 2011 premiership team would be FB Bower (24) S O'hAilpin (29) <Unknown> HB Grigg (23) Thornton (28 ) Scotland (31) C Gibbs (23) Simpson (27) Stevens (32) HF Benjamin (23) Kennedy(24) Edwards(24) FF Fisher (27) Fevola (31) Betts (25) R Hampson (24) Walker (25) Murphy (24) Int Blackwell (25) Russell (25) Waite (29) A O'hAilpin (25) Emergencies from: Anderson (23) Austin (23) Carrazzo (28 ) Houlihan (30) Delisted, Traded or Retired Flint (24) Raso (24) Jackson (25) Hartlett (25) Bentick (26) Cloke (27) Young (28) Bannister (29) Wiggins (29) McLaren (29) Ackland (30) Teague (30) Saddington (32) Whitnall (32) Lappin (36) Koutoufides (39) |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun May 27, 2007 12:35 am ] |
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Donstuie wrote: In all seriousness who do you think would still be around from our current crop and who wouldn't?
Naturally there seems a strong case about Murphy, Walker and Gibbs, but who else would you pin the expectation on? Well I've nominated about 2 and a half drafts worth of players I think will get the chop over time. I suppose on top of that your current candidates would be (either the chop or traded): Russell, Kennedy, Flint, Jamison, Jackson, Hartlett, Bower, Raso I have a lot of faith in the talent of 3/4 our list. We just lack a large chunk of experience and miles in the legs to go with that. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Sun May 27, 2007 11:08 am ] |
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Lance should be Captain. |
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| Author: | winfieldblue [ Sun May 27, 2007 11:11 am ] |
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b:carrazzo setanta thornton hb: gibbs xxxxxxx scotland c: simpson murphy walker hf: edwards xxxxxx grigg f: waite fevola betts r: xxxxxx stevens blackwell ic: fisher bentick benjamin aisake edwards is a better overall player than fisher... although fisher should get plenty of game time. no lappin, kouta, whitnall or houlihan...stevens will be on his last legs. hoping to see hartlett come on bit more to take up the CHB possie and kennedy to take up CHF and we need an a-grade ruck [hampson?] with aisake as back up. |
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| Author: | welcomebackcattogio [ Sun May 27, 2007 11:35 am ] |
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winfieldblue wrote: b:carrazzo setanta thornton
hb: gibbs xxxxxxx scotland c: simpson murphy walker hf: edwards xxxxxx grigg f: waite fevola betts r: xxxxxx stevens blackwell ic: fisher bentick benjamin aisake edwards is a better overall player than fisher... although fisher should get plenty of game time. no lappin, kouta, whitnall or houlihan...stevens will be on his last legs. hoping to see hartlett come on bit more to take up the CHB possie and kennedy to take up CHF and we need an a-grade ruck [hampson?] with aisake as back up. shocking call considering edwards hasnt played a game yet & fisher is tracking @ 40+ goals in a bottom 4 team that is for the most part too dumb to realise we have other forwards apart from fev. |
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| Author: | winfieldblue [ Sun May 27, 2007 11:44 am ] |
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fisher is an aerialist and a nice player but i think its time to start weeding out players with poor disposal on the run. turn overs are killing us and fishers disposal by foot wont improve although his shots on goals surely has. edwards from what i have seen is a better player overall. he will play a few games this year, one hopes. i like the way he goes about it... similar to fisher except edwards disposal is superior. |
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