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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:13 am 
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I thought I revisit the stats and compare our performance thus far to that of the first 8 rounds of 2006. I have included the game results for those suspicious of my calculations.

Apart from a more offensive orientated high scoring game plan, these figures confirm that we have made very little progress to date. I would be interested in hearing your views alhough I must acknowledge the data presented is rather limited in terms of analysis.


2006

Melbourne 3.3 4.9 6.10 10.12 (72) lost to Carlton 3.3 6.7 10.9 13.15 (93

Fremantle 7.2 11.4 14.7 15.11 (101) dftd Carlton 2.2 4.4 9.6 13.8 (86)
Carlton 1.3 3.4 8.6 11.8 (74) lost to Sydney 4.3 6.4 10.7 12.9 (81)
Carlton 2.4 4.6 6.13 9.14 (68) lost to Hawthorn 5.2 6.4 10.6 15.10 (100)
Richmond 2.3 7.12 11.15 12.20 (92) dftd Carlton 5.4 8.7 9.13 11.18 (84)
Carlton 1.4 5.9 6.11 9.12 (66) lost to Collingwood 2.5 5.7 12.9 21.12 (138)
Carlton 2.3 7.5 10.7 17.9 (111) dftd Essendon* 2.3 4.6 7.11 11.12 (78)
Carlton 1.2 1.5 2.6 4.10 (34) lost to St Kilda 7.7 9.13 14.15 18.18 (126)



2007
Carlton 5.5 6.11 10.17 15.25 (115) dftd Richmond 5.2 10.4 13.7 15.8 (98)

Geelong 4.6 10.8 19.13 24.18 (162) dftd Carlton 3.2 5.6 7.9 12.12 (84)

Carlton 2.1 8.7 15.11 18.17 (125) dftd Essendon* 7.9 12.13 13.16 17.20 (122)
West Coast 5.2 6.8 9.11 14.16 (100) dftd Carlton 1.2 2.6 3.11 4.15 (39)
Carlton 5.6 14.8 17.11 18.16 (124) lost to Brisbane Lions 6.1 13.1 18.4 21.10 (136)
St Kilda 4.3 8.8 13.11 18.17 (125) dftd Carlton 2.5 4.11 10.14 11.16 (82)
Collingwood 1.6 4.11 11.15 17.17 (119) dftd Carlton 5.2 8.6 12.8 14.11 (95)
Kangaroos 4.5 8.10 15.14 22.15 (147) dftd Carlton 5.4 12.6 14.9 20.10 (130)


2006 2007
Wins 2 2
total for 616 794
ave score for 77 99.25
total against 788 1009
ave score against 98.5 126.1
percentage 78.17% 78.7%
totals over 100 points for 1 4
totals over 100 points against 4 7

Sorry cannot seem to align the 2006 and 2007 season results separately
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:02 am 
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Your stats would indicate that we're more attacking but still shite. :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:19 am 
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Unfortuantely what the stats don't show is that the team playing in 2007 is much younger and more inexperienced. That fact alone means that we have improved. We are losing at the same rate and by (on average) the same amount. But we are losing with the future on the park, not with players that won't be around in 3-6 years time.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:13 am 
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Two wins and six losses is what the coach will be judged on regardless of personnel etc. So far no change between 2006 and 2007.
The bigget dilemma we face this season is whether we go for more than 4 wins to get that priority pick. I suppose if Denis Pagan wants to be coaching next season he would be striving to win as many games as possible.

Interesting times ahead.

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nytdog wrote:
Unfortuantely what the stats don't show is that the team playing in 2007 is much younger and more inexperienced. That fact alone means that we have improved. We are losing at the same rate and by (on average) the same amount. But we are losing with the future on the park, not with players that won't be around in 3-6 years time.


Most weeks I would agree, but last weekend I would say their wouldn't be much difference to last year. We would be more experienced possibly?

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:26 am 
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One similarity I can see between the two years, is that by Rd 7 in both years we had knocked off Essendon*!! w00t w00t! Cop that Scum!


One thing that bothers me is that the one thing that concerns me is 100+ beltings... and Geelong came close. Now if you look at 2006, by this stage we had copped any beltings apart from the last match against the Saints - they were all to come later in the year.

I just hope we keep our heads up, continue to (win or lose) play attacking football and hopefully not get smashed as much as we did last year. Both that and total wins for the year will measure success for me...


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:39 am 
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SparkyBlue wrote:
One similarity I can see between the two years, is that by Rd 7 in both years we had knocked off Essendon*!! w00t w00t! Cop that Scum!


One thing that bothers me is that the one thing that concerns me is 100+ beltings... and Geelong came close. Now if you look at 2006, by this stage we had copped any beltings apart from the last match against the Saints - they were all to come later in the year.

I just hope we keep our heads up, continue to (win or lose) play attacking football and hopefully not get smashed as much as we did last year. Both that and total wins for the year will measure success for me...


We also lost to Collingwood by 72 points. Also, some of those 2006 margins were flattering. I remember leaving last years loss to Richmond thinking it was as pathetic as we'd played since 2002. From memory we kicked quite a few goals in junk time of the Freo game which made the loss look more respectable than it was.


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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:52 pm 
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welcomebackcattogio wrote:
SparkyBlue wrote:
One similarity I can see between the two years, is that by Rd 7 in both years we had knocked off Essendon*!! w00t w00t! Cop that Scum!


One thing that bothers me is that the one thing that concerns me is 100+ beltings... and Geelong came close. Now if you look at 2006, by this stage we had copped any beltings apart from the last match against the Saints - they were all to come later in the year.

I just hope we keep our heads up, continue to (win or lose) play attacking football and hopefully not get smashed as much as we did last year. Both that and total wins for the year will measure success for me...


We also lost to Collingwood by 72 points. Also, some of those 2006 margins were flattering. I remember leaving last years loss to Richmond thinking it was as pathetic as we'd played since 2002. From memory we kicked quite a few goals in junk time of the Freo game which made the loss look more respectable than it was.


True... we did that a lot last year... get hammered in games and then kick junk time goals to make the final losing margain respectable..

The one similarity between these last two years is by this time of the season both years, thanks to our genious coach and his one dimensional game plan, the team had/has well and truly lost their early season enthusiasm and self belief...

Months aof good pre season preperation goes up in smoke in 2 months of pathetic coaching... Well done once again oh great one :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 2:12 pm 
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Excellent post, similar to one I started but focused more on players.

I believe these stats back my claims up that the improvement this year has not come like we had all hoped, especially after our great NAB Cup win. The reason behind this I think can be contributed to the fact our overall list has not improved as much as other teams. We have the 3rd least injuries in the comp so we really don't have excuses. Ok, we are young but so are Hawthorn, in fact they are younger.

I still believe we have the players to be a ultra competitive team, and think with our list 10 wins or less is not satisfactory.

All sign point to Pagan. He simply cannot get these kids playing the sort of football we believe capable of them. Come next year, a new coach will have his influence and ideas and improvement will come, and maybe even finals football.

Go blues

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:29 pm 
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bluejoker wrote:
Excellent post, similar to one I started but focused more on players.

I believe these stats back my claims up that the improvement this year has not come like we had all hoped, especially after our great NAB Cup win. The reason behind this I think can be contributed to the fact our overall list has not improved as much as other teams. We have the 3rd least injuries in the comp so we really don't have excuses. Ok, we are young but so are Hawthorn, in fact they are younger.

I still believe we have the players to be a ultra competitive team, and think with our list 10 wins or less is not satisfactory.

All sign point to Pagan. He simply cannot get these kids playing the sort of football we believe capable of them. Come next year, a new coach will have his influence and ideas and improvement will come, and maybe even finals football.

Go blues


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I'd like to see some stats of our losing margins against teams 1-4, 5-8, 9-12 and 13-16 from last year, and compare them to the results so far.

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BlueBern wrote:
I'd like to see some stats of our losing margins against teams 1-4, 5-8, 9-12 and 13-16 from last year, and compare them to the results so far.


So would I...but to be perfectly honest...I can't be bothered :-D

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Your stats seem to indicate everyone is scoring more, probably due to soft free kicks in front of goal.

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A relevant point to comparing the 2 years is also our game plan year on year against a more widespread move towards flooding and additional men in defence - even the Weagles play this game to a limited extent now - is the impact of changing game plans on some players. This can be assessed in stats YOY.

Some players benefitted from positioning last year v. where they find themselves now.

Many of us saw 2006 as the emergence of Wiggo, as he doubled his stats per game in a proxy half forward type role:

http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-index. ... 3A+Wiggins

Now, and with the added fitness issue, the game seems to have passed the 30metre chip up the wing by....averaging <10 stats and <4 marks per game. Others to benefit from the chip style ball movement through the defence to midfield were probably the half back line at times?

Some players suit some game plans and I think player analysis going forward needs to consider the differences in game style by the Blues.


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