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6 Rounds In - IMHO it's Walker by a mile
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Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:00 pm ]
Post subject:  6 Rounds In - IMHO it's Walker by a mile
I've gotta admit - I'm fascinated by the MVP voting we have going on TC after each game. It really does give you an insight as to a) who's performing on a consistent basis and b) opinions of Carlton people who watch the game live and/or at home in front of the TV - either way; opinions are just that - opinions - and I've been known to argue mine with respect to what I see as some strange voting from time to time.

However after Rnd. 6 - I've tallied my votes. And it's Andrew Walker by a mile. He's polled with me in 4 of the 6 games. You can't deny it - he's been consistent. The way I see it my leaderboard is:

14 - Andrew Walker
7 - Matthew Lappin, Setanta O'hailpin
6 - Kade Simpson, Brendon Fevola
5 - Ryan Houlihan, Heath Scotland




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Author:  blu944 [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:09 pm ]
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Walks has been great - as have the others you mentioned - but you have previously made mention of your dislike of Heath Scotland and it shows in those votes.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:30 pm ]
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Heath has been very good in 2 games this year - he has picked up votes from me in these games. He's been more than disappointing in 2 and has been in the running for 2.

I admit that I'm tough on him - and in giving votes - I think you should always raise a few questions...after all - he plays loose man in defence for over 75% of all games. If you've ever played football at a reasonable level - you should understand that this position warrants perhaps more criticism than others. On 3 occassions he's been moved out of his preferred position and has failed what is essentially a 10 minute job. This was particularly evident against Brisbane where he let down his teammates - Jordan Russell in particular - and himself.

Don't give votes to him based on the fact that he gets a lot of the ball down back. I notice a lot of you have.
Author:  BlueDW [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:34 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Heath has been very good in 2 games this year - he has picked up votes from me in these games. He's been more than disappointing in 2 and has been in the running for 2.

I admit that I'm tough on him - and in giving votes - I think you should always raise a few questions...after all - he plays loose man in defence for over 75% of all games. If you've ever played football at a reasonable level - you should understand that this position warrants perhaps more criticism than others. On 3 occassions he's been moved out of his preferred position and has failed what is essentially a 10 minute job. This was particularly evident against Brisbane where he let down his teammates - Jordan Russell in particular - and himself.

Don't give votes to him based on the fact that he gets a lot of the ball down back. I notice a lot of you have.

I am interested in knowing what your idea of "playing footy at a reasonable level" means?????
Author:  ScottSaunders [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:42 pm ]
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most consitent in the team by a mile.

others have good games here, bad games there, he is very consitent and is starting to provide us with that something special.

going to be a quality footballer in a few years (he is still only 20 or 21 a pup as far as im concerned.

23+, 75-100 games, is when i start to question them if they are any good or not.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:47 pm ]
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Without wanting the thread to get 'off-topic' - I should have said played and/or got coaching qualifications in...if you have a phD in talkback radio - then that doesn't quite cut it with me. Playing wise - at the very least a few years in 'B' section amateurs (preferably 'A')...or very good level country footy e.g Ovens & Murray League / Ballarat / Bendigo etc; where you are playing under coaches who have a) qualifications and b) aspirations.
Author:  BlueDW [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:53 pm ]
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Well Dr, my question to you is that how have you have rated Houla's season better than Scotlands, when they basically play the same role. Scotto will stand in front of the big guys when it is his turn, he will put his head over the footy when required, and quite frankly if we are going to have someone fill this rile, then he is clearly the best in our team to do so. Not having a go at Houla in this post, but I am having a go at your obvious dislike of Scotland. Scotland is a very good player, your judgments of him are very unfair.
Author:  ScottSaunders [ Mon May 07, 2007 2:59 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:

Don't give votes to him based on the fact that he gets a lot of the ball down back. I notice a lot of you have.


posessions in modern football mean nothing.

Scotland plays the easiest role in the game and he does do it well.

but give me 20 midfielder posessions rather than 30 typical scotland posessions any day of the week.

anyone with abit of talent could play the role scotland does without too much issue.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:04 pm ]
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I guess we'll see a good comparison of what a floating half-back is meant to do this week. Look - I hate Collingwood as much as anyone - but Heath Shaw has worked this position out nicely. Heath Scotland has a lot of work to do. Battle of the loose Heath's could be a contributing factor.

As for Houlihan - I disagree with you entirely. He hasn't been playing the same role as Scotland. I'm pretty sure I'm correct in saying that more often than not - he's been used very inappropriately as a run-with player through the midfield and has had limited success. The last 2 weeks the coaching staff have instructed him to expose his man and 'own' his wing, running downfield to create a loose man in what should be an open forward line...unfortunately his teammates haven't got peripheral vision. He did get 4 votes from me for his game against the Lions - hence, that's the way voting works...Lappin sits on 7 - but he's only been good against the Bombers and Eagles iMO.
Author:  Jarusa [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:11 pm ]
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My votes so far this year FWIW.

Heath Scotland 16
Marc Murphy 14
Andrew Walker 11
Brendan Fevola 9
Bryce Gibbs 6
Jarrad Waite 5
Ryan Houlihan 5
Kade Simpson 4
Matthew Lappin 4
Nick Stevens 4
Andrew Carrazzo 4
Lance Whitnall 4
Setanta O'hAilpin 2
Eddie Betts 2

I think Scotland has been very good so far this year, plays similar to the Camporeale role, but with much more hardness at the ball and more accountability to his opponent. Has taken a few marks running backwards into packs this year as well which always gets a big tick from me.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:21 pm ]
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1 statement - 1 question from that Jarusa...

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plays similar to the Camporeale role


'That says it all'

and...

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more accountability to his opponent


What opponent?
Author:  BlueDW [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:25 pm ]
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Dr, I agree that Scotland and Shaw play basically the same role, but Shaw dies it with a much more congested forward line around him, also with a midfield that is more able to help out, therefore the ball comes in with a lot less precision that it does against us. Unfair to compare their seasons.

Hoops has played a lot off halfback this year, even if he doesnt, thats where he gets his touches. As I said, not knocking Hoops in this post, thats for another time.

Scotland is a very good player who is being slaughtered by the way we use him. Would much rather see him playing forward of the ball, delivering into our forward 50, than continually being asked to be defensive. If you dont believe me, have a look at the second half against the bombers and what he was able to do when he was able to run forward a bit!!!!
Author:  Jarusa [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:29 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
1 statement - 1 question from that Jarusa...

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plays similar to the Camporeale role


'That says it all'

and...

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more accountability to his opponent


What opponent?


I stand by my comments, take it or leave it.

You hate him as a player, I like him.

Most people think he is having a good year considering the role he plays.
Author:  DocSherrin III [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:30 pm ]
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Quote:
Scotland is a very good player who is being slaughtered by the way we use him. Would much rather see him playing forward of the ball, delivering into our forward 50, than continually being asked to be defensive. If you dont believe me, have a look at the second half against the bombers and what he was able to do when he was able to run forward a bit!!!!


Agreed whoelheartedly!
Author:  budzy [ Mon May 07, 2007 3:52 pm ]
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Why is AW not in the leadership group? :?
Author:  blu944 [ Mon May 07, 2007 4:02 pm ]
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budzy wrote:
Why is AW not in the leadership group? :?


from memory he said in an interview that he had to work on his onfield demenour as he has been known to give teamates a spray at times
Author:  budzy [ Mon May 07, 2007 4:10 pm ]
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blu944 wrote:
budzy wrote:
Why is AW not in the leadership group? :?


from memory he said in an interview that he had to work on his onfield demenour as he has been known to give teamates a spray at times


maybe one or two players have deserved a spray because of lack of application :?:
Author:  dannyboy [ Mon May 07, 2007 4:33 pm ]
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1 Andrew Walker 13
2 Heath Scotland 10
3 Bryce Gibbs 9
4 Brendan Fevola 8
Author:  winfieldblue [ Mon May 07, 2007 5:27 pm ]
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heath has been sublime for the blues so far
his decision making, keeping his feet standing up in the tackle, his disposal

he has been fantastic so far
Author:  TheGame [ Mon May 07, 2007 5:35 pm ]
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I keep forgetting to vote but Scotland has been our best for mine. He's one of the best players in the comp now but at least the pies got Woewodin.
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