Nice placement of the poll options Ty.
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| Author: | The Tyrant [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:44 pm ] |
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easy question |
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| Author: | Andain [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:54 pm ] |
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I'm reasonably happy at this point but I'd be disappointed if we didn't have a good (secret) look at our options at the end of the year if we finish in the bottom four yet again. |
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| Author: | chubbyruss [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:09 pm ] |
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My sig says it all |
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| Author: | dane [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:22 pm ] |
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im with chubby. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:27 pm ] |
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Stop trying to be funny it doesn't suit you |
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| Author: | jenx [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:36 pm ] |
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[quote=Sydney "Blue"]Stop trying to be funny it doesn't suit you[/quote] harsh but fair SB! |
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| Author: | Fabulous [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:39 pm ] |
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We are exactly the same as last year... - He still cant make the hard decisions. - Pretty sure last year at the same point of the season we had won 2 and lost 3. (i think we had a better percentage this time last year. |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:44 pm ] |
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Nice placement of the poll options Ty.
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| Author: | Indie [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:45 pm ] |
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Fabulous wrote: We are exactly the same as last year...
- He still cant make the hard decisions. - Pretty sure last year at the same point of the season we had won 2 and lost 3. (i think we had a better percentage this time last year. Hmmm ... Won 1st against Melbourne, then lost the next 5 last year. But let's not allow the facts to get in the way of your prejudices 
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:53 pm ] |
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I cant believe there are votes for yes. He has been instructed to play youth otherwise Teague Bannister and Saddington would be in by now. He still plays Fevola one against three and then comes out and says he should look at Johnno Brown and be like him. I wonder how Fev would have gone last night playing against an Irishmen who is still learning the game and has 16 games under his belt - Gees a FF with 26 possessions - Fevola would have got 100 and kicked 15 with the same match up. He stifles the youth by giving them set task and tagging roles each week - Once every now and again is ok but every bloody game come on He constantly high lights the positives in the opposition and points out the negatives in his own team. The sooner this flower is gone the better I am losing interest in a club I have followed all my life very quickly |
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| Author: | Fabulous [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:54 pm ] |
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Indie wrote: Fabulous wrote: We are exactly the same as last year... - He still cant make the hard decisions. - Pretty sure last year at the same point of the season we had won 2 and lost 3. (i think we had a better percentage this time last year. Hmmm ... Won 1st against Melbourne, then lost the next 5 last year. But let's not allow the facts to get in the way of your prejudices You are correct..i thought we actually played Essendon* in rd 5! ahh well, anyway i still stick to my point in regard to Pagans coaching! |
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| Author: | chubbyruss [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:00 pm ] |
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He also instructs the players to "Bomb it to Carey" 
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| Author: | Car17on [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:12 pm ] |
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A close result so far .. I didn't vote coz my opinion doesn't appear in this poll. Basically, I don't think we've improved, and, if he had an idea, he would appear not to have shown this. We've had a couple of excellent quarters this year, and another [Product Name] Cup in the mantle with the two spoons he has also earned us. Don't know that we could do better than him, though: but better are either contracted or not likely to come to [Product Name] Park |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:20 pm ] |
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Sydney Blue wrote: I cant believe there are votes for yes.
He has been instructed to play youth otherwise Teague Bannister and Saddington would be in by now. He still plays Fevola one against three and then comes out and says he should look at Johnno Brown and be like him. I wonder how Fev would have gone last night playing against an Irishmen who is still learning the game and has 16 games under his belt - Gees a FF with 26 possessions - Fevola would have got 100 and kicked 15 with the same match up. He stifles the youth by giving them set task and tagging roles each week - Once every now and again is ok but every bloody game come on He constantly high lights the positives in the opposition and points out the negatives in his own team. The sooner this flower is gone the better I am losing interest in a club I have followed all my life very quickly As I'm repeatedly belted around the head with: where is your evidence on some of these points?
As for the other stuff, the Fev/Brown effort was in relation to Fev's efforts with the umpires. The rest is called constructive criticism. Geez. Sydney you have a point to say Pagan could be getting stale, but you never have anything to back it up, neither does anyone else. The staunchest anti-Pagan people rabbit on about the same points and never address them in detail. I liken it to propaganda and it's why I do my best to bite my tongue in regards to coaching discussions. I don't doubt some of these people get legitimate info on the club, but there's nothing to say that what they're hearing isn't laced with personal agenda, or even second-hand for that matter. All it takes is one person somewhere down the line. Chinese whispers. |
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| Author: | TheGame [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:20 pm ] |
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Sydney Blue wrote: He still plays Fevola one against three and then comes out and says he should look at Johnno Brown and be like him.
The irony is without Fev he would've been out of a job long ago. His record would be even more tragic than it already is. |
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| Author: | blueboy8 [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:25 pm ] |
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I voted no becuase i feel like it |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:26 pm ] |
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Sydney Blue wrote: He stifles the youth by giving them set task and tagging roles each week - Once every now and again is ok but every bloody game come on
Yeah, look at the effect its had on Walker. He was really flying before Pagan focussed him on the defensive side of his game. We'd hate for Russell and Gibbs to follow a similar path. |
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| Author: | blueboy8 [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:31 pm ] |
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Lets sign Laidely. 
With what the kangaroos have at the moment he is the best coach in the league. The club has no money no supporters and the AFL is trying to screw them over. |
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| Author: | TheGame [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:33 pm ] |
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This isn't about individual players. Walker, murphy, Gibbs etc are all guns and we do have Pagan's ineptness to thank for them but we can't keep doing this forever. He keeps harping on that it's a simple game but it doesn't look to simple for him when we're getting destroyed every 3 or 4 weeks. |
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| Author: | Indie [ Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:44 pm ] |
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TheGame wrote: Sydney Blue wrote: He still plays Fevola one against three and then comes out and says he should look at Johnno Brown and be like him. The irony is without Fev he would've been out of a job long ago. His record would be even more tragic than it already is. And without Pagan, Fev would've been out of Carlton. |
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