Percentage tells you a lot more about your team's big picture than wins and losses do.

We're sitting 12th, but on the percentage ladder we're 15th.

It's been the same for the past three seasons. Even in 2004 when we finished 11th, our percentage had us 20% behind 10th. We were 13th on the percentage ladder this year.

I'll take wins over richmond and Essendon* any day of the week, but until we are able to:

* Win first quarters
* Eliminate the 10 goal + losses

We'll have to be content with exciting wins over low end teams (like Essendon* and Richmond).

Bad percentage is worth 4 points.

Sorry Jarusa, not as detailed as a footy geek analysis...

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Congratulations CK95

We win narrow, lose big.

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"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa

Yeah this has been the one thing bugging me in our redevelopment as well. I was hoping we might be right this year. Clearly not.

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I think this will remain a problem while we rely on two things
A) on Fev to kick so many of our goals. Block that up and we are in trouble.
b) on ruckmen who do not do enough around the ground - especially forward.


mind some might suggest c)

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Essendon* can't be considered a low ranked team now though, can they??

They've showed they're contenders i'd think.. just not top 4 that they crapped on that they were...

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It's obvious from our results to date that we are still a bottom 4 side. We shuld be content with 6-8 wins this year. The worst thing that could happen to us is to play above ourselves and win 10 games like in 2004 and finish 10th?. We still need more quality kids, we won't play finals this year, so may as well take advantage of the draft. I'm not for tanking, just being realistic.

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"I had to eat"

c) The Sole Emoticon???

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Cer 'ch 'n alluog Blues

If we win 8 games and get the 5 pick I will be satisfied.

Not happy...just satisfied.

We need a new coach to go up the ladder properly.

Pagan will never coach us into the finals.

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They coud'nt.....could they?

That's right, cos guys like Houlahan, Wiggins, Ackland, Cloke, Carrazzo and Fisher are all having their doors knocked down to be traded to top 8 teams... It's more than just the coach. These guys are good players but they're not great players - and will not get us to any finals soon.

Houlihan, Wiggins, Carazzo and Fisher would be more than handy contributors in the West Coast line up.

A bit of patience and a dose of reality wouldn't go astray.

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Bit early to talk about %. It wont be the last time a team is smashed by WC at Subi. Because we have played only 4 games that has a big negative impact on our %.

Still I agree that % at times says more about teams than a win loss ratio.

Agreed, even top teams like WCE have a healthy contingent of good ordinary players and a couple of spuds. It's impossible to assemble an entire list of superstars.

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Even if Pagan had a list of superstars we still wouldnt win a premiership.

If your not part of the solution....you are part of the problem.

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They coud'nt.....could they?

Don't tell me YOU'RE buying that sheedy bullshit too?

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Congratulations CK95

Yeah that was more my point, though the trend - although only 4 rounds in - is the same.

As Wojee said, we win narrow and lose big.

Percentage says more about your mental strength and ability to be competitive a darnsight more than W/L.

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Congratulations CK95

IMO our low percentage has a lot to do with our poor accuracy in front of goal
we should not have more than 12 points per game

since 2003

68 games where we have scored more goals than points.
in those 68 games
14 games we scored more than 12 points in the game


5 games where goals scored were the same as points scored
in those 5 games
1 game we scored more than 12 points in the game


18 games where we scored more points than goals
in those 18 games
14 games we scored more than 12 points in the game

this is just 1 factor of percentage but small improvements here and there make a big difference.

Our low percentage has alot to do with a few things.
Accuracy infront of goal isnt one of the genuine reasons.
Unless you think if we get 19 scoring shots a game they all should be goals.

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It's got a lot to do with it - and heaps of teams are struggling this year if you look at the conversion - especially this last round

It's a skill that should be mastered, but isn't

4.15 or whatever we kicked is disgraceful - just think if it were 15.4 or even, lets say for 60% accuracy 12.7 and all of a sudden the game isn't a blowout

Same as against richmond - we had 40 scoring shots or thereabouts...

Our set shots for goal are usually a long way out and our shots on the run are usually under pressure because we dont know how to sheppard .

Plus you can hear the whistling in the stands when Waite and Carrazzo line up

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really???

so getting 1 point and turning over posession,
rather than getting 5 more points and back to a 50/50 contest isn't a genuine reason.