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| Author: | simonverbeek [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Round 4 - Pros and Cons |
Hard to come up with a list because we didn't learn too many new things today. Will do my best. PROS 1 - Lappin - did well forward. Good contributor 2 - Gibbs - looks very comfortable at HBF - hard to get away from him 3 - Fish - I have documented previously that I was not a major fan due to what was truly worse than VFL kicking. He seems to have improved his kicking 100-fold and he is winnning me over 4 - Thorno - did a few ok things (i am struggling) 5 - Setanta - I'll throw him in because he does seem to learn more every week - He has a LONG way to go though. CONS 1 - Poor composure from supposed leaders - Houla lap and heath, who are sort of leaders, handled the ball abysmally. Fumbles drops, poor kicks. We were under high pressure, but you'd expect cooler heads from the experienced players. 2 - In 8 quarters against decent sides - we've been hopeless and uncompetitive. This is not completely unexpected, but I don;t want our list to get sandwiched in an area on the ladder where we beat crap teams and get embarrassed by the good. 3 - Simpson predictable - Is becoming too predictable!! Runs onto his left, and kicks a 40 metre kick to the hotspot with 4 on 1. Even worse is when he's on his right foot and the whole league knows he's gonna cut in and the defenders catch up to forwards - GET SOME MORE TRICKS UP YOUR SLEEVE. 4 - Follower division - with a spare-part rucks and stevens out - flower it's gonna be hard to get a clearance (Kerr and Judd don't help) 5 - Lance - our hands are tied and you have to play him but it is a birthday for his direct opponent so far this year. Not the reason we lost of course, so don't get carried away. Special mention - I'm really afraid we're gonna win 5 or 6 games which from my point of view would be an unmitigated disaster and a waste. We can't beat most sides, but will get Rich, North, Coll. |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:21 pm ] |
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we won the clearances - we were just innefective with them - it was either a quick kick out without looking - or if it was a clean takeaway we still blazed to the half forward line where we had nobody - we really need to find a half forward line. |
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| Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:23 pm ] |
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Cons: Waite & Wiggins The former seems like he'll never deliver on his 'potential', the latter is just ordinary. |
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| Author: | Deano Supremo [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:31 pm ] |
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Cons Fev spent too much time and energy (justifiably) remonstrating with the officials Whitnall continues to struggle Just not our day - Eagles showed us just how far away we are from vying for #17 Pros Fought it out - never really dropped our heads, although horribly outclassed Thought Russell held his own on Judd in the 2nd Walkers last 1/4 was pretty good - looked nice in the midfield. Would now like to see an extended run in there. Could be our Stevo replacement. Gibbs starred on Wirrpanda after 1/4 time. Give him a 12 month apprenticeship at half back then unleash him into the guts in 2008 after a pre-season is under his belt. Dynamite Joe had a serviceable debut. There's always next week! |
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| Author: | marciblue [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:32 pm ] |
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Their clearances were 3:1 in their favour, always going to be under the pump there When the heat is on we become too one-dimensional going forward. No variety to our play. Footskills are unacceptable. They're the cons. Pros: Lappin ... just |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:34 pm ] |
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Pros: JUDD Cons: JUDD Everything Else: JUDD |
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| Author: | camel [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:43 pm ] |
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Our footskills were atrocious, all day. The odd good pass, but so many times we'd drop the ball a metre in front of our teammates and cause turnovers or unnecessary contested footy. But, as mentioned, we had a dip for most of the game. We just weren't good enough today. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:07 pm ] |
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camelboy wrote: Our footskills were atrocious, all day. The odd good pass, but so many times we'd drop the ball a metre in front of our teammates and cause turnovers or unnecessary contested footy.
But, as mentioned, we had a dip for most of the game. We just weren't good enough today. Our footskills were shit because of the pressure of the game. It was a good game to tell us where were at... along long way away still. Keep rebuilding and developing instead of talking lala land finals... |
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| Author: | Robert Heatley [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:28 pm ] |
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Cons: Jarrad Waite - let me explain. In the pre season we played him down back, and he looked ok. However the only place Lance can play is sweeping down back. Therefore Waite has to play forward. Waite can only play down back because the opponent takes him to the contest (ie doesn't require any great reading of the play by him) and his athleticism allows him to do well in the contest. Up forward he is a disaster, bad decision making, poor kick, no idea. Who's better down back - him or Lance? As for the forward line I'd rather be developing Hartlett or Edwards (than watching Waite play the same game every week). The sooner we have Kennedy, Hartlett and Edwards up and firing, the closer we will be to being a finals team. |
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| Author: | chubbyruss [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:31 pm ] |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:34 pm ] |
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Robert Heatley wrote: Cons:
Jarrad Waite - let me explain. In the pre season we played him down back, and he looked ok. However the only place Lance can play is sweeping down back. Therefore Waite has to play forward. Waite can only play down back because the opponent takes him to the contest (ie doesn't require any great reading of the play by him) and his athleticism allows him to do well in the contest. Up forward he is a disaster, bad decision making, poor kick, no idea. Who's better down back - him or Lance? As for the forward line I'd rather be developing Hartlett or Edwards (than watching Waite play the same game every week). The sooner we have Kennedy, Hartlett and Edwards up and firing, the closer we will be to being a finals team. the con their is lance - he is not only preventing hartlett from being in the team but he is forcing waite forward and we lose at both ends cos lance cant keep up down back and waite isnt cutting it up forward - solution remove lance |
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| Author: | Robert Heatley [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:43 pm ] |
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It's not going to happen though is it. If Lance is going to play, he needs to become a good CHF again. |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:46 pm ] |
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Robert Heatley wrote: It's not going to happen though is it.
If Lance is going to play, he needs to become a good CHF again. that would be a nice start - that wont happen though either |
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| Author: | Wangers [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:47 pm ] |
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Cons: Margin we lost by - I hate these losses 
Footskills - need plenty of work Pros: We're young and still learning. Will get a top 4 pick this year - if we're lucky maybe 2 early picks 
Cloke's bump on Selwood Another game of experience for our youngsters. Some changes this week for the side - hopefully Hartlett & Blackwell may get a run at the expense of Wiggins & maybe Kennedy |
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| Author: | Teen Spirit [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:53 pm ] |
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Pros: -Lappin played with such heart and he really led from the front when few other leaders did. -the slow slog-like game helped Lance and he was rather solid as the floating man in defence...only problem is having a spare man means a spare Eagles player is somewhere (i.e. shepherding Judd and Kerr) -Gibbsy was very good -Thornton was extremely good in defence, i loved his game. Cons: -Another ordinary day from Kennedy..he's got to be on the verge now. -Houlihan got a tonne of it but i jumped off the bandwagon this weak...wet weather tough footy petrefied him at times. -No Stevens in the midfield exposed some of the younger guys. We won the clearances, but the way it was used and organised was shaky all day. -Jarrad Waite played below his usual self today...cant remember seeing him hold onto a mark all game. -Fevola was given a bath by Glass, mind you the delivery to Fev was shocking and he didnt have much opportunity to star. Nic |
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| Author: | bluebo baggers [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:56 pm ] |
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Biggest con for me today was the glaring lack of support runners and shepperders. Maybe it wasn't that clear on TV but the Eagles were always running in support of each other and 1) providing options and 2) providing support. Clokes great bump on Selwood was a rare exception and highlight. Biggest pro was Gibbs, looked really composed and a couple of great spoils, one in the 3rd which should have ben a goal to Waite instead he missed and the ball came all the way back and sailed over Bryce's head. Just on Kennedy, I'm a massive fan of the way he presents and I know he is still learning the game but I watched him pretty closely today and he looked to me like he didn't really know what his role was. He looked worried about getting in Fev's way when he went forward and looked unsure where he was supposed to be and who he was supposed to be on when the ball was coming out of our forward line. Interested in others' opinions on this. |
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| Author: | Elwood Blues1 [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:59 pm ] |
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Pro's...Gibbs composure down back.... Lappin was ok Scotland seemed to hit most targets Clokes bump... Cons...lousy skills by hand and foot. Poor tackling....Hurn ran through four players who couldnt stop him or didnt want to. Ackland turtled a marking contest.......... Leadership lacking as Jakovich stated on fox footy. No Fev...no forward line.....its been said before so need for me to go over old ground... |
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| Author: | maxm68 [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:01 pm ] |
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Deano Supremo wrote: Walkers last 1/4 was pretty good - looked nice in the midfield. Would now like to see an extended run in there. Could be our Stevo replacement. YES! Apprentiship over... set him free! |
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| Author: | hadz [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:01 pm ] |
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We were just FLAT |
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| Author: | Car17on [ Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:10 pm ] |
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Wangers wrote: Cons: Margin we lost by - I hate these losses
Footskills - need plenty of work Pros: We're young and still learning. Will get a top 4 pick this year - if we're lucky maybe 2 early picks Cloke's bump on Selwood Another game of experience for our youngsters. Some changes this week for the side - hopefully Hartlett & Blackwell may get a run at the expense of Wiggins & maybe Kennedy + Some of the senior players did well: Scotland, Houlihan, Lappin all got good numbers + A great debut for the young guns, but not a great result. + Fev's brain-explosion, and what opportunities that will give the side to develop options up forward 
+ Fev's defensive game
- Our kicking was disgusting: one goal per quarter, our major up forward options doing jack diddly. 
- Marc Murphy is human. 
- Lance 
- Not having Stevo (this will be a con for the rest of the year) 
- Fev's brain-explosion, and what that will cost the side in his absence up forward
- No come-back 
- The lowest score ever against the Weagles
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