Yeah, picks 1 and 2 would be great, but this win makes it pretty difficult.
Don't think the timing of coaching speeches at 1QTR and 3QTR time make a difference.
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| Author: | Pickle [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:29 pm ] |
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This is something that really annoys me and I raise this every year with Pagan. WHY DOES IT TAKE HIM 4-5 MINS EVERY 1/4 AND 3/4 QTR TIME TO GET TO THE HUDDLE?????????? Especially Qtr time tonight!! It looks so unprofessional, pathethic, lazy, laconic, arrogant!!! If he can't haul his arse there in decent time at least send one of his assistants. Even Ratts and Bradley were quite late to the huddle. Our lame 2nd qtr started with the lame effort of our coaching staff at Qtr time IMO. FFS DP get off your butt and show some professionalism!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:33 pm ] |
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Well Wallet went out early and talked to his player for a minute or two and then the subordinates talked to the forwards mids and backs. With Pagan it is the opposite. Subs then main! What is the big deal? Who won? |
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| Author: | Pickle [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:37 pm ] |
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We won tonight ......... i'll give you that Jarusa but it just looks pathetic. I was in the members wing and everyone within earshot noticed it and was talking about it. It looks pathetic!!!! Yes Wallace was actually waiting for them ready to go. It shows intensity and sends the right signal. We won tonight but we are the worst performing side since the current 16 team comp - do we want to keep that way??? |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:42 pm ] |
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Yeah, picks 1 and 2 would be great, but this win makes it pretty difficult.
Don't think the timing of coaching speeches at 1QTR and 3QTR time make a difference. |
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| Author: | Teen Spirit [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:58 pm ] |
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Pickle wrote: We won tonight but we are the worst performing side since the current 16 team comp - do we want to keep that way???
nope, as Jarusa said..we won...we arent keeping it that way haha i'd base decisions towards Pagan on the decisions made in the game (eg, Moving Waite forward changed the game i think) if, for example we played Sydney and Barry Hall kicked 8 goals on O'Hailpin and Pagan didnt make a change then there'd be time for criticism, but i think he made some good moves tonight so i'll keep his back. Nic |
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| Author: | BlueWorld [ Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:59 pm ] |
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The assistants always talk to the them in their groups first. Then they all come together and get addressed by Pagan. Why does he need to be out there straight away? |
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| Author: | Pickle [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:09 am ] |
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Yeah i agree BlueWorld but even the assistants were very late - and it happens a lot!! Next time you are there live just have a look and see what you think. |
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| Author: | bluekettle [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:09 am ] |
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It take Pagan so long to come down so it give the players time to calm down and relax a bit plus it give them time to have their drinks or oranges before he will talk to them, Parkin done this all the time that he was coaching Carlton. |
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| Author: | steve [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:17 am ] |
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I'd much prefer a coach who thought about match-ups, what to say to motivate his players, what to instruct to improve performance, etc then to blindly run out and say the first thing that comes to mind. I'm not the biggest Pagan fan, but you can't bag him for that. It's petty and irrelevant. |
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| Author: | Buzz [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:24 am ] |
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I always hated that about Pagan - sometimes he'd turn up to address the players with seconds remaining. But that was then. Now - even when the subbies are running a little late, the players are taking matters in their own hand. They're showing ownership of their own leadership roles. Then the subbies come in and focus on their lines. And finally, the general joins the fray and ties is all together. Now that we have the right players in the leadership group, the right assistant coaches, and the right coach, by the time it gets to Pagan, he can spend his time punching the message in. Speaking last leaves the words ringing by the time the siren sounds. |
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| Author: | Ponkstar [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:28 am ] |
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Hasn't he had a hip replacement or something? Perhaps he can't actually walk any quicker? |
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| Author: | GWS [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:23 am ] |
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Pickle wrote: Our lame 2nd qtr started with the lame effort of our coaching staff at Qtr time IMO.
And he did the same thing at 3/4 time so our great last quarter was the result of what...? Don't be a dill Pickle. |
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| Author: | tommi [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:27 am ] |
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Heehee............. pickle..............dill......................nice Gee Dubya..............! kindest regards tommi |
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| Author: | moshe25 [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:39 am ] |
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Yeah!!! Don't be a sweet mustard..., Pickle. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:10 am ] |
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Just between you and me Pickle I would prefer it if Pagan was just sitting in the stand 
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| Author: | Navy Blue Horse [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:46 am ] |
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Perhaps the coaches need a few minutes in the box at the end of the quarter to discuss possible tactics? I'm sure it's difficult for them to do so in detail while the game is on? |
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| Author: | samblueboy [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:35 pm ] |
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Why can't we just support the coach. Been through hell last year, and credit to him, he has since done all the right things with this team. Give him a break. |
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| Author: | CK95 [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:53 pm ] |
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Sydney Blue wrote: Just between you and me Pickle
A pickle sandwich |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 1:30 pm ] |
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Worst thread ever. And that's saying something. |
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| Author: | thylacine60 [ Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:44 pm ] |
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jimmae wrote: Worst thread ever.
And that's saying something. Don't agree. It does look ordinary the way Pagan wonders out to the huddle but he needs time to sort his thoughts. I'd think only a small percentage of footy followers even look at the huddle and its relevant dynamics. Personally I'm much happier nowdays with the assistants that are doing their thing before Pagan addresses the team. Perhaps the longer Pagan takes, the better we will be? |
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