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Roll out the good news Blues!!!!
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| Author: | Electric Blue [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | SHOCK HORROR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Roll out the good news Blues!!!! |
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html Roll out the good news Blues!!!!
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| Author: | Electric Blue [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:54 am ] |
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..and a bald looking Koutas on the late news..all very positive! |
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| Author: | Big_T [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:20 am ] |
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What a lovely change it is for the Blues to get some positive press... I'll have to stop the editing I was planning for Gareth Trickey's wikipedia entry... |
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| Author: | Hoggy33 [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:32 am ] |
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Wow. It was Anthony Koutoufides who played Drazic in Heartbreak High???? |
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| Author: | The Vet [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:04 am ] |
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more here: Less may mean more for Kouta and here too: Blues back in town Its a love in!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Car17on [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:37 am ] |
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Anthony(43)Koutoufides wrote: and it's going to be a big task for us. It's going to be flower hard!!
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| Author: | titimus [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | ElectricBlue . . . Do you ever sleep? |
Cutting edge journalism from Mark 'Nostradamus' Robinson: Quote: Thirteen players are missing from that joyous and misguided night in 2005.
Ten have left the club. The other three – Jordan Bannister, Simon Wiggins and David Teague didn't play against the Kangas. Two of them will be lucky to play seniors again. Cut out the commentary, Mark. 
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| Author: | Molly [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:45 am ] |
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A good set of articles indeed, and exactly the sort of positive press the club needed. I'm puzzled about one thing - Pagan's comment to the match committee that the players he drafted in 2003 would be lucky to still be around in two years. One has to ask why they were drafted then? Anyway, otherwise it was great to be given such positive coverage 
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| Author: | rhys87 [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:05 am ] |
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Quote: "Our midfield used to be Kouta and Nick and now it's changed dramatically," Pagan said.
hahaha no mention of Campo. |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:21 am ] |
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rhys87 wrote: Quote: "Our midfield used to be Kouta and Nick and now it's changed dramatically," Pagan said. hahaha no mention of Campo. Thats because chasing "cheapy" out the back handballs from around the half back line and playing on after taking the kickouts after a behind is kicked to boost up your stats does not make a mid-fielder. 
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| Author: | billc3 [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:21 am ] |
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Molly wrote: A good set of articles indeed, and exactly the sort of positive press the club needed.
I'm puzzled about one thing - Pagan's comment to the match committee that the players he drafted in 2003 would be lucky to still be around in two years. One has to ask why they were drafted then? Anyway, otherwise it was great to be given such positive coverage Senior guys who could play and be around for a couple of years, or 17 year olds (at pick 70ish who couldn't and would be around for a couple of uyears.....or playesr like Beaumont who were stirring the crap, causing a nightmare for coach and board....and still weren't going to be around for a couple of years... that seems to be the three choices that people often forget... and don't say, "yeah but Hird was taken at pick 72" or I'll scream 
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:33 am ] |
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yeah but Hird was tak.... sorry. I personally think that while we've got a bad run in the press in the last 5 years, we've bloody deserved it. We've been so shit in every department, on and off field. Only makes sense that with legitimate positives now coming to light at the club, legitimately positive articles will surface. |
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| Author: | marciblue [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:44 am ] |
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Molly wrote: A good set of articles indeed, and exactly the sort of positive press the club needed.
I'm puzzled about one thing - Pagan's comment to the match committee that the players he drafted in 2003 would be lucky to still be around in two years. One has to ask why they were drafted then? Anyway, otherwise it was great to be given such positive coverage This is the basis of my biggest criticism of Pagan’s tenure at Carlton. He went into self-preservation mode big time at the end of 2003 for his own benefit and for the fact that he essentially sh!t himself with the way we were capitulating and imploding towards the end of 2003. Pagan was so concerned with how totally uncompetitive we were towards the end of 2003 that he wanted to boost our list with tried, mature bodies to put a stop to the massive blowouts that were happening in the second half of 2003. The problem was that not only were we still on the end of some fearful shellackings in 2004 (dees and aints games spring to mind!!! ), but by winning 10 games and finishing 11th that year we weren’t able to acquire the best talent in the draft as our 1st pick was 9. 2004 was the year we were allowed to participate in the draft unhindered but in DP’s vain attempt to stem the bleeding in self-interest we staggered aimlessly to 11th and without the ability to inject some prime talent our resurrection was put back another year.
In 2005 it all came home to roost though… |
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| Author: | HTP [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:05 am ] |
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Hey Marci, keep in mind that Ian Collins was considering not fielding a team in 2003 because of the penalties. Said there was no way they'd be competitive enough going forward. You got that right, Ian. I'm down with the retreads - I think it was a necessary evil at the time. |
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| Author: | showbag [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:06 am ] |
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I like the option where we end up with Murphy and Gibbs on our list ... |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:16 am ] |
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HTP wrote: Hey Marci, keep in mind that Ian Collins was considering not fielding a team in 2003 because of the penalties. Said there was no way they'd be competitive enough going forward. You got that right, Ian.
I'm down with the retreads - I think it was a necessary evil at the time. Maybe - but consider this for a killer mid-field for the next 10 years going forward: - Deledio - Murphy - Gibbs insert salivating emoticon here "----" . 
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| Author: | marciblue [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:21 am ] |
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HTP wrote: Hey Marci, keep in mind that Ian Collins was considering not fielding a team in 2003 because of the penalties. Said there was no way they'd be competitive enough going forward. You got that right, Ian.
I'm down with the retreads - I think it was a necessary evil at the time. I agree it was a necessary evil but DP took it to the extreme. The trade/draft approach in 2003 should’ve been more balanced |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:45 am ] |
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HTP wrote: Hey Marci, keep in mind that Ian Collins was considering not fielding a team in 2003 because of the penalties. Said there was no way they'd be competitive enough going forward. You got that right, Ian.
I'm down with the retreads - I think it was a necessary evil at the time. Collins told Pagan to rebuild the list! He is on record as saying so. He was only considering handing in the keys because of the finances HTP. As for not fielding a team because of being uncompetitive, I'd love to know where you got that one from . 
Pagan thought Carlton could be a final 8 contender if he got mature bodies in and played his direct, collision style of game. He made the decision and to those suggesting there were no options, nonsense. Pagan was offered the option to rebuild the list and instead he took the quick fix. |
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| Author: | CK95 [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:51 am ] |
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Blue Vain wrote: Pagan thought Carlton could be a final 8 contender if he got mature bodies in and played his direct, collision style of game.
So did most of us on TBV at the time BV 
Not having a dig at you, I honestly can't remember what your stance was at the time. I do remember though that most of us were rapted with the likes of your Morells, Mcgraths, Teagues etc. Even wallsy thought Pagan did a great job in 04, but now on reflection says he took the easy option. |
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| Author: | rhys87 [ Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:09 am ] |
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no point drafting kids with shitty picks if you know that they also are not gonna be the future. |
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