TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Whitnall vs Stevens

My thoughts are that Murph will be our next captain, and do the job with honour for a decade.

Anyone else is just keeping his seat warm.

Please see my comments about Lance in the official semi final game thread. I agree that Stevens could have been an equally good Captain. I hope he proves this when it comes to contract negotiations.

My view and take is this.

The thought of Murphy captain now was a close one, very close, but having missed half of last season made it close to impossible to get him over the line.

Lets say the club wanted Murphy sooner rather than later.

The club had two options:

1/ Select Nick Stevens.

At 26 or 27 he probably has what 4 - 7 years at the top depending on many factors, but if he was captain and performing well, how do you take it off him and give it to Murphy cleanly.

2/ Select Lance Whitnall.

At his age, body output etc etc it would be much easier to either retire the big red in a season or two, or at least step aside so that Murphy could take over.

By selecting Whitnall the transition to Murphy is easier and shorter.

The new board are absolutely watertight at the moment (good for the club, bad for me

) but one piece of info I did get was that the board were EXCRUCIATINGLY close to making Murph skipper this season..

Dont expect Lance to be our leader for too much longer...

Sticks was interviewed just before the announcement and said Murphy was not even in contention.

Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23.

Author:	carltonac [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:34 pm ]
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I believe Nick Stevens should have been captain instead of Whitnall. Whitnall has spent alot of time on the bench in the pre season, but even when on the ground, he hasn't done much, and hasn't shown much leadership. Every game this pre season, Nick Stevens has played well, especially at times when the game was in the balance (e.g vs Essendon* last quarter). The last 2 weeks Whitnall has had the distraction of the issue with his brother, but even before that in the first game he didn't do much. I believe the captaincy was given to Whitnall as he was the reigning B&F winner and the fact that he has been at Carlton longer. If the last 3 years form was taken into account, I believe Nick Stevens has been better on the whole. Nick Stevens would have been a better option as captain, as he is a midfielder (as was Kouta when captain), so therefore he is always where the play is, therefore he could guide and teach his teammates around him. Whitnall has had past weight problems and the incident in Ballarat, whereas Stevens gave up being his brothers best man for the Wizard cup 2 years ago. This shows his commitment for the team and teammates. I hope Whitnall turns his form around and proves me wrong. What are your thoughts????

Author:	Taff [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:38 pm ]
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Lance is Captain and that's that. As to the wisdom of that decision we could debate it forever. I would hope that he knows his performances have been below par so let's see what happens over the next few weeks. Love to see the big red fire engine get up of the canvas and shows us he still has what it takes. If he doesn't fire then he and the bench will be well aquainted!

Author:	magic [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:42 pm ]
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all the young midfielders look to Stevens for advice so to them he pretty much is captain...you dont have to be the official captain to have a say i guess...we all know who the leaders are and they should all be acting like captains...

Author:	JohnM [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:43 pm ]
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My thoughts are that Murph will be our next captain, and do the job with honour for a decade. Anyone else is just keeping his seat warm.

Author:	blueblood95 [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:46 pm ]
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JohnM wrote: My thoughts are that Murph will be our next captain, and do the job with honour for a decade. Anyone else is just keeping his seat warm. YOU GOT THAT RIGHT BROTHER! MURPH FOR PM....and Captian of Carlton

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Author:	Elwood Blues1 [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:57 pm ]
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Agree Murphy will be the next captain...if Lance wasnt captain he might not be getting a game next week. Hartlett and Fisher both played well and Kennedy deserves his spot back.. Lance doesnt have a position..and is out of form. Even Cloke has improved his fitness to adapt to the modern quicker game..Lance just isnt suited to a quick running game and has limited value...

Author:	Bluesy [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:01 pm ]
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Please see my comments about Lance in the official semi final game thread. I agree that Stevens could have been an equally good Captain. I hope he proves this when it comes to contract negotiations.

Author:	true_blue3 [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:06 pm ]
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i think we might a mistake by making lance our captain, stevens is just so much of a better option he's an absolute professional at what he does and whenever you read an interview with a younger player they always mention how much nick stevens has helped them even if they arent midfielders. i understand lance might be playing with an injury and that's why his form of late has been awful but still nick stevens has been the player who has always stood up at crucial times and i can never remember his name being in the paper for something bad he's done off the field. i will support lance as captain because that decision has already been made but i think nick would have been the better choice. anyway, i cant wait another couple of years till murphy (or even gibbs or kennedy or walker) grabs the captaincy and then we'll never have this problem again.

Author:	Car17on [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:43 pm ]
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Bluesy wrote: Please see my comments about Lance in the official semi final game thread. I agree that Stevens could have been an equally good Captain. I hope he proves this when it comes to contract negotiations. Given Lance's lack of fitness on the night, Stevo had to have stepped up, and didn't do too badly for mine, but also for mine I reckon Lance is the only option given his length of service (and Mrsg likes him as well).. You can't blame his performance on the personal stuff .. maybe KoRn's lack-of-fitness question from the Carlton vs Brisbane - NAB Grand Final (Pre-Match Discussion) thread needs to be answered

Author:	Warby [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:49 pm ]
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Lance is our Captain....lets wait a few more games before we "sack" him.

Author:	JK [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:54 pm ]
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The new board are absolutely watertight at the moment (good for the club, bad for me ) but one piece of info I did get was that the board were EXCRUCIATINGLY close to making Murph skipper this season.. Dont expect Lance to be our leader for too much longer...

Author:	Barnesy [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:06 pm ]
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My view and take is this. The thought of Murphy captain now was a close one, very close, but having missed half of last season made it close to impossible to get him over the line. Lets say the club wanted Murphy sooner rather than later. The club had two options: 1/ Select Nick Stevens. At 26 or 27 he probably has what 4 - 7 years at the top depending on many factors, but if he was captain and performing well, how do you take it off him and give it to Murphy cleanly. 2/ Select Lance Whitnall. At his age, body output etc etc it would be much easier to either retire the big red in a season or two, or at least step aside so that Murphy could take over. By selecting Whitnall the transition to Murphy is easier and shorter. My view is obviously subjective, so thats just a view from the outside in. Good on Lance for being made captain, and I am sure he will offer us value in 2007.

Author:	blueman [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:24 pm ]
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As I have said on other occassions, Lance will not be a part of the new Carlton. What we are watching right now are the reasons why this will be the case.

Author:	true_blue3 [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:26 pm ]
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Barnesy wrote: My view and take is this. The thought of Murphy captain now was a close one, very close, but having missed half of last season made it close to impossible to get him over the line. Lets say the club wanted Murphy sooner rather than later. The club had two options: 1/ Select Nick Stevens. At 26 or 27 he probably has what 4 - 7 years at the top depending on many factors, but if he was captain and performing well, how do you take it off him and give it to Murphy cleanly. 2/ Select Lance Whitnall. At his age, body output etc etc it would be much easier to either retire the big red in a season or two, or at least step aside so that Murphy could take over. By selecting Whitnall the transition to Murphy is easier and shorter. or they could have made murphy co-captain with stevens for a couple of years (like west coast did with cousins and brisbane did with voss) and then give it completely to murph. voss turned out to be the best captain i have ever seen (and probably ever will see) and cousins was as good as anyone as far as captaincy ON the field went, so that couldn't have turned out too bad. anyway, it shouldn't be too hard for murph to take the captaincy on by himself once he does get it.

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Author:	Mark H [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:27 pm ]
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Josh Kaplan wrote: The new board are absolutely watertight at the moment (good for the club, bad for me ) but one piece of info I did get was that the board were EXCRUCIATINGLY close to making Murph skipper this season.. Dont expect Lance to be our leader for too much longer... Josh, with the greatest of respect, because you have previously posted stuff with some accuracy - your info on the captaincy is way off the mark.

Author:	Car17on [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:33 pm ]
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Not being a follower of the code for too long, I know that Sticks was the longest serving captain in the League for a long time (he may still be). How was the transition to Sticks handled? Was his predecessor a long-stander, or a seat-warmer as JohnM suggested 8LW is? Could we compare 3MM to 4SK, in that, if 3MM is selected in a few years' time, he will still be quite young, and will still have a number of years ahead of him? I only ask these questions as a parallel, to suggest that, if / when 3MM is named as Captain, he will be there for a lo-on-ng time (maybe longer than Sticks was) .. that is, in this modern game, his body holds out (taking his very first season out with a shoulder reconstruction doesn't bode well) ..

Author:	BlueWorld [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:41 pm ]
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Sticks was interviewed just before the announcement and said Murphy was not even in contention.

Author:	Warby [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:46 pm ]
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Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23.

Author:	Car17on [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:46 pm ]
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BlueWorld wrote: Sticks was interviewed just before the announcement and said Murphy was not even in contention. That's fair enough, too - this is only his second season, and he's not even 20 yet. You can't put the responsibility of club captain on such young shoulders .. let him develop more (and ohh, what development) so he can be a great player as well as a memorable captain Warby wrote: Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23. So did they recruit him as Captain or recruit him and then make him captain after a year or two?

Author:	Warby [ Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:58 pm ]
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Warby wrote: Kernahan was a legendary Vice Captain of SANFL side Glenelg and SA State player when he was appointed Carlton Captain at 23. And played in a Glenelg Premiership in 1986....(his ambition) before agreeing to come over to Carlton where he was appointed Captain of the Carlton side that won the Premiership in his first year as Captain....1987.