I actually had the same thought killpies ........
I thought that Lade missed and the ball went out on the full ........

ala Milne (Saints) last year at the Dome ... or was it Milne .... I can't remember but it was definitely out on the full and the goal umpire paid it as a point,

Hmmmmmmm interesting

Your dead right tyrant u do have to shovel the shit to find the coin..How many people grimaced when Sexton first came along? The o freak dont give to Sexton..Patience is the key that unlocks many doors

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Easy on the cliches folks....its starting to sound like a Pagan press conference in here....

Me and my mates all thought OOF too even an 'acquaintance' port supporter thinks OOF on that kick .

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

I HAVE A NEGATIVE!

I didn't get to see the match.

It was Aussie Jones who kicked that 'point' last year against Brissie.

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To say it in Pagans words - many posters are up and down in their assesments like a honeymooners nightie.....


I find it interesting how people last week were calling for the blood of some of the same players they now "worship". I am a big believer in looking at the performance of players over a number of games before making my mind up if they are "good" or "bad".....

Biggest positive is that we where able to get 2 points (still not 4 points though ) and save some face from the previous week's loss. Maybe next week we can redeem the rest. Sorry but still pissed off and yes, I am harsh on them, but that's because they are better than what they are producing.

Fantastic thread guys. great reading, great debating.

I like a lot of what you have to say here luke, you're making a lot of sense in my mind.


fine by me clint, fine by me

it's amazing people are saying "ohh one more chance for betts" (in a good way), i mean it's round 4 and he's kicked what ? seven goals as a foward pocket. Didn't get much game time this week, but hasn't still done anything "wrong" i mean the nature of his position means he will have days were he wont see much of the footy (especially if on the bench all day!), and yet he is a very reall chance of getting dropped for this weekend. I think he has a bit of a niggler? right? maybe thats why he was so quiet.

that for me is one of the biggest positives.

the second tier really did step up the the challange on saturday, and thats all you can ask for.

we didn't really miss scotland and campo, or it was'nt profound anyway.

Scotland, Campo, Thorton, Livo, Prenda all best 22 players, all missing saturday yet look at the result.

our depth is getting deeper

Which begs the question - are our perceived best players really best for the club? Take Thornton to the side for the moment, for I strongly believe he is our most important player, but are Scotland and Campo in our top 22 choices? Do the Blues work better as a hard-at-it team, requiring more in & unders / solid players than outside midfielders like Scotland?

i'd drop campo before scoots.

fair point though

See page 2!

Be afraid mate.... be afraid

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I reckon we have a problem of having too many players at the same ability level. That means someone who probably deserves a run in the firsts gets left out.

Look at Kade Simpson. At a crap club he'd be a regular. He dominates the reserves and is CLEARLY 2 moves ahead of everyone else at VFL level. But he can't squeeze in, and when he does he doesn't get enough time to assert himself, or even learn the craft.

If you try and find 6 blokes to delist at the end of the year its a pretty tough job.... because all but a couple have something to offer, given an opportunity.

Denis might need just to rotate them through for touch... and unless someone REALLY nails a spot in the team out of Davies, Betts, Simpson, Walker etc etc... keep rotating them.

But he can't do that forever. Eventually you just have to give them game time.

Im a bit worried that we have too much competition for middle-tier positions, and it might harm the middle-tierers development into the top group.

Simmo they can keep telling to put on weight. 1 more year perhaps. But next year, if he's still playing 1 game out of 4, I'll be worried that we haven't nurtured what could be an awesome AFL prospect properly.

Really, Russell should be pushing for, or claiming, a firsts spot by next year. If he's way back in the field because of the blokes ahead of him, its a worry. You use your top 10 picks on pure talents you can nurture. You don't pick someone in the top 10 just to make your list look pretty, and become disillusioned that he can never force a full-run because of all the blokes with 3-4 years on him still trying to win a place.

I'm half inclined to REALLY prune back the middle group at the end of the year (tough choices on blokes we all like)....... OR take some tough choices on the more senior bunch (in years) like Campo, Scotland etc etc.

Its a nagging concern at the back of my mind. Hopefully it never eventuates.

For talls, I think we're looking good. Hartlett, Setanta and Plemmo pushing next year. Raso the one after.... and the ones we have are generally pretty young.

To be honest, I reckon the lists are too long. Lists probably should be 35, with 6 rookies and the LTI elevation rule cut to 5 or 6.

GEE TYRANT... TANGENTIAL MUCH????

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I thought Houlihan was BOG..four very good quarters of football and his disposal was great .
Wiggo played his best game for the club and for me is better away from defense and playing midfield...nice goals as well.
Trent Sporn was ordinary early but got into the game and as others have said his courage in the last quarter in a marking contest was outstanding and then slotted a nice goal when he must have been feeling crook.
Plaudits for Glen Bowyer...did a good job tagging.
French was excellent and even though Primus was good early I thought French was the most consistent big man on the ground.

Whitnall to CHB helped change the game...even though lance didnt dominate his presence down there blocked a few forward entries and helped congest their forward line.....Kouta should never play back...has no idea.
Karl Norman....was ok and it would have helepd his confidence playing a solid game.
Lappin is always good...enough said.
Nick Stevens...worked his way into the game after a quiet start and looked uncomfortable with the constant crowd taunts but overcame it and was very good in the last quarter.

Carazzo...was very good and even got a mention from Kevin Bartlett has having good disposal..I enjoy watching Carazzo play and like the drive he gives us.

Brett Johnson was outstanding after half time and a major factor in the result.
Troy Longmuir...handy debut but missed some easy goals and doesnt grab me for some reason....looks too light weight and not physical enough but its his first game so I'll be giving him a couple of games to settle in
Agree with some earlier comments that we need a CHF...big bodied 6'4" player who can take a pack mark. We cant keep relying on our midfield to keep pin pointing passes to player on the lead...
Its been an on going problem since Sticks retired..Lance had a good wizzer cup but doesnt get the space to work in during the regular games and is getting more attention....
Overall though a good result and a draw vs Port is worth plenty..

Good to be an individual isn't it.
But WTF can I expect anymore. Not worth it.

Sometimes Surrey we get it right. Sometimes we get it wrong. Thats half the fun

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dont forget bannister aswell! top 10 in B&F and cant get a run.

depth is returning, just in Key Possies we get exposed.

should improve out of sight with thorton back, and livo will be handy

Yeah, the big positive appears to be the ability for Houla to take the bull by the horns in the middle and give Dennis another string to his bow.

Confidence to travel to Perth and hold no grave fears is also a great positive from the weekend.

Go Blues, luv ya!