Elliott's Repatriation

Vinnie Catoggio · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:58 pm **Posts:** 8

OK, so the election is behind us, we have a fantastic new president, a young and committed board behind him and for the first time in a long time a real positive feeling surrounding all things Navy Blue.

But still the media can't help itself, and wants to touch on John Elliott and whether or not he'll be welcomed back to the club. Richard Pratt gave his view yesterday; however I still have reservations about whether it is time yet for Elliott to be re-embraced into Carlton's inner sanctum? Regardless of one's views about his reign and the way it ended, my concern is not about the man himself but more the potential for his return to draw attention away from the positive publicity that we finally have.

My view: Elliott is still to repent for what he did and how he ran our club into the ground. Yes we had some great success under his reign, but (as much as I don't want to go back in the past) there is no doubt that we are still paying for his sins. For him to be re-accepted into the fold I would want to see some acknowledgement that some of the decisions made in his time could have been better (that's as far as I'll go here..), and for him to stop taking pot shots at our current administration and/or playing group for the sake a cheap headline.

So, what do you think it will take for Elliott to be welcomed back to the club? And do you think now is the right time?

NB: Been a very long time since I've posted on TC, but I've been monitoring the site daily and actively reading and appreciating the passion and thought that goes into TC posters views over the last few months. Thanks everyone!

winfieldblue · **Joined:** Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 991

get over it

Essendon* were serial cheats and busted in 1993 for rorting the system yet they won the premiership

did u happen to forget the business arrangements of websites of lloyd and hird which was sold for $200.000 each and apparently "outside" the salary cap..

carlton was an aggresive club and if it were to compete on a premiership: premiership basis it had to follow the policies the bombers took.

its not all that black and white... the agressiveness in order to compete had to be done...

unfortunately the bombers had the upper hand all along with bombers ex president ron exans as charman of the afl commission

how dare elliot take on the commission run by the bombers... :roll:

bondiblue · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:25 pm

Yep...get over it.

We're Carlton...all of us....United we stand...one goal.

Flag # 17.

Today more than ever we should look forward and leave the past behind us..with the exceptions of the great premierships, finals and other victories we hold dearly in our hearts.

We got done over by the AFL. :evil:

Bombers got away with everything and got an $80,000 fine, and they still do. :twisted:

Demons got off lightly.

AFL promised on Black Friday that all clubs will be investigated and no stone will be left unturned. :evil:

Don't you see...Carlton got hammered unfairly...and Elliot was leader at the time. :evil:

Being defamed as cheats did not help our cause to attractsponsors. The AFL did more damage to this club than Elliot IMO. :oops:

Anyway, that's the past...I'm looking forward to Flag #17 and embracing each and every Carlton supporter, member and sympathiser. :idea:

winfieldblue · **Joined:** Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 991

not to mention pratt publicly supported elliot during that time.

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7457

Vinnie Catoggio wrote:

Regardless of one's views about his reign and the way it ended, my concern is not about the man himself but more the potential for his return to draw attention away from the positive publicity that we finally have.

Spot on Vinnie . . . the media will do what the media does best and focus on the (potential) negatives instead of any of the positives. I personally will never vote to re-instate JE for any position at the club but he is free to try his luck. If he does, I just hope he has enough respect for the club to wait until the dust settles and we're firmly on the road to recovery . . . FFS he owes us that much.

JohnM · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:35 pm

If Elliot has any sense, he'll accept RP's invitation but stay in the background and keep his mouth shut. If he wants the Elliot legacy read a little better in 20 years, he'd be advised to do all he can to help his son become a worthy board member.

Elliot back at the club: yes, but only if he stays in the background and doesn't try to be a defacto mouthpiece of the club.

blueman · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:28 pm **Posts:** 2220

Im for forgiveness.

As a club we stand to do better if all Carlton people pull together as one and the past is figiven - but of course not forgotten..

The best revenge we could have would be to win a 17th flag. Uniting the club is the best way of moving towards this.

I heard Dermot Brereton in one of his saner moments on whether Elliot should be welcomed back to Carlton or not.

He said Elliot should have one privilege for life after he was welcomed back - a matchday lunch.

His role on being welcomed back should be that of a person that is connected with the past. He should have no role in the influence or direction of our club - but he should be welcomed back to Carlton..

waldo48 · **Joined:** Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:10 pm **Posts:** 61

Vinnie Catoggio wrote:

OK, so the election is behind us, we have a fantastic new president, a young and committed board behind him and for the first time in a long time a real positive feeling surrounding all things Navy Blue.

But still the media can't help itself, and wants to touch on John Elliott and whether or not he'll be welcomed back to the club. Richard Pratt gave his view yesterday; however I still have reservations about whether it is time yet for Elliott to be re-embraced into Carlton's inner sanctum? Regardless of one's views about his reign and the way it ended, my concern is not about the man himself but more the potential for his return to draw attention away from the positive publicity that we finally have.

My view: Elliott is still to repent for what he did and how he ran our club into the ground. Yes we had some great success under his reign, but (as much as I don't want to go back in the past) there is no doubt that we are still paying for his sins. For him to be re-accepted into the fold I would want to see some acknowledgement that some of the decisions made in his time could have been better (that's as far as I'll go here..), and for him to stop taking pot shots at our current administration and/or playing group for the sake a cheap headline.

So, what do you think it will take for Elliott to be welcomed back to the club? And do you think now is the right time?

NB: Been a very long time since I've posted on TC, but I've been monitoring the site daily and actively reading and appreciating the passion and thought that goes into TC posters views over the last few months. Thanks everyone!

My information is that Big Jack has been working quietly and assiduasly in the background over the last 12 months and has had a major hand in bringing Dick Pratt back to the Club. He also is apparantly working very hard to bring more sponsors and more money into the Club. Unfortunately Smorgan wouldn't deal with him.

Jack will never hold an administative position with the Club again, but that doesn't mean that he and people like Wes Lofts should be lost to the Club. They are Carlton through and through and given the chance will play a major part in our revival. Let's cut him some slack and forget about the past and concentrate on the now and more importantly, the future.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7477

YAWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........its been done to death Vinnie.Over and over,same old stuff.Get over and move on i say.Can understand your nisgivings Vinnie,but it is now time to move on.Unify now or we will never move forward despite Pratts arrival.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:33 pm

Richard PRatt is the main man now.... make no mistake.

camel · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:22 pm

Erm, aren't there some legal "issues" meaning that Elliott cannot serve on tha board even if he wanted to?

I know people aren't suggesting he be welcomed back in that way, but in real terms he will have to be at arms length anyway.

I'm in favour of anything that gets him off the meedyah's rolodex's under D for dial-a-headline. :roll:

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:31 pm

waldo48 wrote:

Vinnie Catoggio wrote:

OK, so the election is behind us, we have a fantastic new president, a young and committed board behind him and for the first time in a long time a real positive feeling surrounding all things Navy Blue.

But still the media can't help itself, and wants to touch on John Elliott and whether or not he'll be welcomed back to the club. Richard Pratt gave his view yesterday; however I still have reservations about whether it is time yet for Elliott to be re-embraced into Carlton's inner sanctum? Regardless of one's views about his reign and the way it ended, my concern is not about the man himself but more the potential for his return to draw attention away from the positive publicity that we finally have.

My view: Elliott is still to repent for what he did and how he ran our club into the ground. Yes we had some great success under his reign, but (as much as I don't want to go back in the past) there is no doubt that we are still paying for his sins. For him to be re-accepted into the fold I would want to see some acknowledgement that some of the decisions made in his time could have been better (that's as far as I'll go here..), and for him to stop taking pot shots at our current administration and/or playing group for the sake a cheap headline.

So, what do you think it will take for Elliott to be welcomed back to the club? And do you think now is the right time?

NB: Been a very long time since I've posted on TC, but I've been monitoring the site daily and actively reading and appreciating the passion and thought that goes into TC posters views over the last few months. Thanks everyone!

My information is that Big Jack has been working quietly and assiduasly in the background over the last 12 months and has had a major hand in bringing Dick Pratt back to the Club. He also is apparantly working very hard to bring more sponsors and more money into the Club. Unfortunately Smorgan wouldn't deal with him.

Jack will never hold an administative position with the Club again, but that doesn't mean that he and people like Wes Lofts should be lost to the Club. They are Carlton through and through and given the chance will play a major part in our revival. Let's cut him some slack and forget about the past and concentrate on the now and more importantly, the future.

waldo JE doesn't need any slack to be cut. He bought this club to it's knee's and that is a simple FACT. Never ever forget it. FACT, FACT, FACT.

If he and Wes now want to work behind the scenes to put something back into a club they both nearly killed off them good luck to them. It is the very least they could do after the mess they made. If DP wants him to come along to a Presidents meeting then that is his choice but JE should never be allowed to forget what he did to this club due to his blind arrogance and ego.

Regards Cazzesman

MarkNo3 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:36 pm

If Jack wants to come back so be it. However what Cazz has said is true, he bought us to our knees and we should never forget it.

If he comes out and publicly appologies for what he's done and does it in a humble way it would go a long way. However I would prefer him to also say he will try and help the club where and if he can in a quiet and unassuming manner.

However I doubt it could ever happen, more likely to get a big Pigs arse style reply.

winfieldblue · **Joined:** Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:34 am **Posts:** 991

Pratt, Elliot & Lofts are very good mates.

If the bagging of Elliot continues where you want him to publicly apologise... for what. For not being allowed to defend his case and take the words from the AFL commission as gospel?

Elliot would have rolled Essendon* in court.

Pratt will walk away after one year if the Elliot bagging continues.

Balls in your court

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

Would have.

Didn't.

Like you Winnie- no balls. Make it up as you go along pretender.

bluey · **Joined:** Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:25 am **Posts:** 8

John Elliot was arrogant, and egotistical. That applies to almost all the
people on football boards.
Unfortunately his arrogance was not tempered with common sense.
He did what all the others had done, and were doing, but they did
it in a way that they didnt get caught.
He also outwardly hated the AFL, and they found a way to fix him up.
We were caught in the middle of this fix up, and we paid for it.

Jack was stupid, and made bad decisions, but he was not the complete reason that we ended up where we did.
Talking of arrogance and egos, the AFL was major reason for that.

I still believe he loved Carlton, and wanted us to be the top club.
Unfortunately he went about it in the wrong way at the wrong time.

I love all this talk about us being cheats. This has being going on since adam was a boy, and is still going on.
We are told that football is a business. Thats the way business operates.

Rambo Stallone · **Posted:** Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:42 am

John Elliot loves Carlton with a passion,he would never want to have seen Carlton where they at,he did a mistake,he hated hamill leaving the club after he and the club cost thousands to get him off,so he could play in the grand final,he had a tough time trying to keep our best players who demanded more and more that broke the club and signed the big names because the members would have his throat if they lost those guys.

Elwood Blues1 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:10 am **Posts:** 4827

I'm not the forgiving type....he nearly killed the club and has put loyal supporters through a nightmare.
He is a neanderthal knuckle dragger who deserves no sympathy...I wouldnt want him selling peanuts at the club....
As if he will keep his gob shut......he wants to be president again.

baz_baz · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 11:44 am **Posts:** 2000

Elwood Blues1 wrote:

I'm not the forgiving type....he nearly killed the club and has put loyal supporters through a nightmare.
He is a neanderthal knuckle dragger who deserves no sympathy...I wouldnt want him selling peanuts at the club....
As if he will keep his gob shut......he wants to be president again.

Well, we all witnessed the mistakes made by previous administrations, mainly Elliot's. I dont think that should mean we refuse to take the experience of a man who obviously knows some things about footy and footy clubs, particularly Carlton, given that we and he acknowledges the mistakes made under his watch.

BlueWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm **Posts:** 3768

I don't think he is allowed to be president.

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