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"At Carlton, there's always been a little bit of arrogance . . . that got out of hand in the '80s and '90s and people lost their way," says Diggins. "There's a strength in arrogance but a weakness when that arrogance means you lose your way. The arrogance stopped the club reassessing itself and realising it was in a slide."

Faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrk!!!!!

Who wrote this crap? There is no name attributed to it?

Why does Elliot still get a free run from the media? I get so pissed off with this crap. If they're going to dredge this prick up to allow him to put his 2 bobs worth in could they at least hold him a little bit accountable for our current plight instead of just allowing him to give his side.

"There's a photograph of Sir Robert Menzies watching a Carlton game while sitting in a Rolls Royce on a special platform. It's an image that shows how long the club has enjoyed its silvertail powerbase. It seems, like the 1995 premiership, a long time ago."

Anyone got this photo????

I don't have acopy of the photo but I can confirm it as I saw it.

His chaffeur used to drive up between the George Harris and Heatley stands. Like at the country footy - not that you see many Rollers (or was it a Bentley) on the fence at Watchem-Corack.

Oh yeah, I'm sure Essendon* really struggled with their monstrous $80,000 'slap on the wrist' fine... I wonder is Ron Evans was part of the AFL commission when that fine was delivered... :evil:

Simply put - that whole article equates to the reason why opposition supporters hate us with such a passion.

The article quoted:
"Essendon* and Melbourne dealt with their (rorting charges) but Carlton snubbed its nose at the AFL and said, 'Not us'.

Oh yeah, I'm sure Essendon* really struggled with their monstrous $80,000 'slap on the wrist' fine... I wonder is Ron Evans was part of the AFL commission when that fine was delivered... :evil:

Elliot may be the only Carlton man to know the whole Carlton story of the 80's and 90's, so do you blame the media for asking him a few questions about the Carlton journey?

Elliot is passionate about the club but unfortunately really stuffed up...he hasn't been given the opportunity to redeem himself, so suggesting that he has nothing to offer Carlton is an arrogant action in itself.

Live and let live.

We will be back!!!

I've got the picture of Robert Menzies in his Rolls watching a Carlton game.

It's up on my wall as part of the souvenir poster of the last game at Optus. There's a picture of the oval and several memorable events that took place at the ground and in which spot on the ground.

phoenix johnson wrote:

Not doubting you pj; but I've just gone over that same poster about 10 times; and it's not there.....and there's no mention of it either.

Author:	Effes [ Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:52 pm ]
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Guess that's why they call them the Blues Quote: "At Carlton, there's always been a little bit of arrogance . . . that got out of hand in the '80s and '90s and people lost their way," says Diggins. "There's a strength in arrogance but a weakness when that arrogance means you lose your way. The arrogance stopped the club reassessing itself and realising it was in a slide."

Author:	blu944 [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:37 am ]
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"There's a photograph of Sir Robert Menzies watching a Carlton game while sitting in a Rolls Royce on a special platform. It's an image that shows how long the club has enjoyed its silvertail powerbase. It seems, like the 1995 premiership, a long time ago." Anyone got this photo????

Author:	kkk [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:06 am ]
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I don't have acopy of the photo but I can confirm it as I saw it. His chaffeur used to drive up between the George Harris and Heatley stands. Like at the country footy - not that you see many Rollers (or was it a Bentley) on the fence at Watchem-Corack.

Author:	Napolean [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:46 am ]
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Faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrk!!!!! Who wrote this crap? There is no name attributed to it? Why does Elliot still get a free run from the media? I get so pissed off with this crap. If they're going to dredge this prick up to allow him to put his 2 bobs worth in could they at least hold him a little bit accountable for our current plight instead of just allowing him to give his side.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:21 am ]
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Napolean wrote: Faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrk!!!!! Who wrote this crap? There is no name attributed to it? Why does Elliot still get a free run from the media? I get so pissed off with this crap. If they're going to dredge this prick up to allow him to put his 2 bobs worth in could they at least hold him a little bit accountable for our current plight instead of just allowing him to give his side. Elliot is 20 years of Carlton football history. What do you mean he shouldnt comment?

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Author:	molsey [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:02 am ]
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If anything I love this stuff because it reminds everyone of the rivalry that currently we can't live up to. I think in a few years time when we're back on our feet we'll have heaps of ammunition - along the lines of 'well, we've been gone for a while and what the hell have you achieved....another 6th placing?'

Author:	bondiblue [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:22 am ]
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Elliot may be the only Carlton man to know the whole Carlton story of the 80's and 90's, so do you blame the media for asking him a few questions about the Carlton journey? Elliot is passionate about the club but unfortunately really stuffed up...he hasn't been given the opportunity to redeem himself, so suggesting that he has nothing to offer Carlton is an arrogant action in itself. Live and let live. We will be back!!!

Author:	koutahootarootafides [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:22 am ]
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blu944 wrote: "There's a photograph of Sir Robert Menzies watching a Carlton game while sitting in a Rolls Royce on a special platform. It's an image that shows how long the club has enjoyed its silvertail powerbase. It seems, like the 1995 premiership, a long time ago." Anyone got this photo???? lol - this is exactly why I came online here this morning - to ask for if someone had this photo - I would love to see it.

Author:	bluechucky [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:41 am ]
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I think this is the best interview Diggins has ever done. A Pity it wasn't done a few weeks ago.

Author:	SparkyBlue [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:53 am ]
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Simply put - that whole article equates to the reason why opposition supporters hate us with such a passion. The article quoted: "Essendon* and Melbourne dealt with their (rorting charges) but Carlton snubbed its nose at the AFL and said, 'Not us'. Oh yeah, I'm sure Essendon* really struggled with their monstrous $80,000 'slap on the wrist' fine... I wonder is Ron Evans was part of the AFL commission when that fine was delivered... In regards to Elliott, although I can't forgive him for the past and never will - I admired the man for his arrogance when he was at the club, and to an extent his 'success at all costs' attitude which really helped the club and his businesses - and I'm fine with him talking to the media because - aside from the board - he will never say a bad word about Carlton.

Author:	AGRO [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:55 am ]
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kkk wrote: I don't have acopy of the photo but I can confirm it as I saw it. His chaffeur used to drive up between the George Harris and Heatley stands. Like at the country footy - not that you see many Rollers (or was it a Bentley) on the fence at Watchem-Corack. Yes I remember that - and I do recall the photo in one of the papers, it would have been in the early to mid-70s when Menzies was quite infirm by that stage. If I recall they moved the platform he use to park on a few years later and put it in front of the Heatley Stand for the Carlton Bluebirds.

Author:	AGRO [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:58 am ]
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SparkyBlue wrote: Oh yeah, I'm sure Essendon* really struggled with their monstrous $80,000 'slap on the wrist' fine... I wonder is Ron Evans was part of the AFL commission when that fine was delivered... . Yes but he was also President of Essendon* at the time of their rorting - however the next President of Essendon* (David Shaw) took the responsibility for it so as not too put Evans into such an embarrassing situation.

Author:	da dada da dah [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:02 pm ]
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SparkyBlue wrote: Simply put - that whole article equates to the reason why opposition supporters hate us with such a passion. The article quoted: "Essendon* and Melbourne dealt with their (rorting charges) but Carlton snubbed its nose at the AFL and said, 'Not us'. Oh yeah, I'm sure Essendon* really struggled with their monstrous $80,000 'slap on the wrist' fine... I wonder is Ron Evans was part of the AFL commission when that fine was delivered... I think the Essendon* fine was more substantial than that and involved the loss of 2 draft picks in the 1999 draft http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-read_a ... =19&page=1 Perhaps you are thinking of the internet payment related fine re: Matthew Lloyd (if memory serves correctly...)

Author:	Warby [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:04 pm ]
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This AGE article was written by Peter Wilmoth; a long standing Melbourne writer. AGRO and I were talking about Sir Robert Menzies and his limo being parked next to the Heatley Stand in my "Warby's Scrapbook" thread the other day.

Author:	MarkNo3 [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:48 pm ]
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Essendon* didnt deal with shi t. Anybody here who tells me Stage Diver Lloyd was intelligent enough to set hius own website and extort his own club as a legitimate means of rorting the cap is a fool (Ill give sooky boy Hird the benefit of the doubt). The AFL hated our perceived arrogance and saw it as an opportunity to stick a knife into us. I cannot as a reasonably educated person believe for one minute that we were the only club to rort the system, but the cauliflower sure made an example of us. I may not agree with Sticks timing of his outburst given our precarious situation but I agree with his sentiments and God help anyone who gets in our way on the field in the next few years because as these kids grow in confidence they are going to really want to even the score and stick it up all the critics and pricks who they have had to endure.

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Author:	Warby [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:13 pm ]
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Napolean wrote: Faaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrk!!!!! Who wrote this crap? There is no name attributed to it? Why does Elliot still get a free run from the media? I get so pissed off with this crap. If they're going to dredge this prick up to allow him to put his 2 bobs worth in could they at least hold him a little bit accountable for our current plight instead of just allowing him to give his side. FWIW....I've just done a quick look; and Carlton; under John Elliott, played in 34 Finals Matches for 2 premierships.....not too shabby.

Author:	SA Blue [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:31 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: Elliot may be the only Carlton man to know the whole Carlton story of the 80's and 90's, so do you blame the media for asking him a few questions about the Carlton journey? Elliot is passionate about the club but unfortunately really stuffed up...he hasn't been given the opportunity to redeem himself, so suggesting that he has nothing to offer Carlton is an arrogant action in itself. Live and let live. We will be back!!! The thing I thinks irks most people is not only the obvious in what he did to the club, but his lack of remorse and contrition. I don't buy that he hasn't had a chance to redeem himself. He could easily at any time, take responsibilty for his actions, but he refuses to do so. Yes we had some great success under him, but his style had a limited shelf life in the new era of the AFL (drafts, salary caps etc). If he was willing accept some responsibility, then I would be more willing to acknowledge some of his success.

Author:	phoenix johnson [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:52 pm ]
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I've got the picture of Robert Menzies in his Rolls watching a Carlton game. It's up on my wall as part of the souvenir poster of the last game at Optus. There's a picture of the oval and several memorable events that took place at the ground and in which spot on the ground.

Author:	Warby [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:18 pm ]
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phoenix johnson wrote: I've got the picture of Robert Menzies in his Rolls watching a Carlton game. It's up on my wall as part of the souvenir poster of the last game at Optus. There's a picture of the oval and several memorable events that took place at the ground and in which spot on the ground. Not doubting you pj; but I've just gone over that same poster about 10 times; and it's not there.....and there's no mention of it either.

Author:	phoenix johnson [ Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:04 pm ]
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Warby wrote: phoenix johnson wrote: I've got the picture of Robert Menzies in his Rolls watching a Carlton game. It's up on my wall as part of the souvenir poster of the last game at Optus. There's a picture of the oval and several memorable events that took place at the ground and in which spot on the ground. Not doubting you pj; but I've just gone over that same poster about 10 times; and it's not there.....and there's no mention of it either. The Farewell To Princes Park poster? It's on there.