TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Automatic selection

Verbs...I'm sure you're not the only one having the problem fitting all possibles into the first 22 come round 1.

I'd suggest Gibbs, Carrazzo, Setanta and Bower in. Hampson may just sneak in as a genuine tall ruck, given his preseason competitive form.

I can't find a spot for Betts...yeah I know in the FP...but as you have experienced...how do you fit them all in? Bloody hard as I'd love to have the pace of Anderson, Benjamin and Grigg ready to go...but doubt it this year unless we have a repeat crap year, ala 2006, and we become fatigued/ disinterested.

Here's mine for now:

B: Carrazzo Setanta Bower
HB: Walker Thornton Scotland
C: Simpson Stevens Waite
HF: Lappin Whitnall Houlihan
F: Gibbs Fevola Kennedy

R: Ackland Kouta Murphy

INT: Hampson/ Cloke, Fisher, Bentick, Blackwell

EMERG: Russell, Betts, Wiggins, Saddo

WILDCARD: Flint, Grigg, Anderson, Hartlett (and Jackson as the LT1)

...and not necassrarily in all the above positions; Carrots may be in the middle (my pref) with Walker and Waite in the HBF

WHO Misses out?

Teague, McLaren, Bannister, Raso, Edwards, and the rest of the new kids and rookies.

Aisakie may be the LT1 if it happens in the second half, or if 2 are injured.

Any way you look at it...there are no skinny kids in the first 22 other than Hampson and naturally, Lappin...but he's a freak anyway.

Tell me I'm not dreaming.

Is it just me, or is anyone else finding it difficult to leave people out of their Round 1 side? I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, as our depth has been a shallow as a toddlers pool for many years now.

A. I decided to write down a bunch of senior player's names, and then highlighted those who are in my opinion automatic selections if they are fit and availiable:

Kouta, Whitnall, Thornton, Stevens, Lappin, Scotland, Murphy, Houlihan, Ackland, Simpson, Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Bentick, Walker, Betts = 16

B. Those on the fringe:

O'hAilpin, Cloke, Saddington, Kennedy, Wiggins, Carrazzo, Blackwell = 7

C. Outside chance:

Russell, Bower, Hartlett, Gibbs = 4

D. Out of favour/injured:

Teague, McLaren = 2

TOTAL: 29

It would be safe to assume the starting 22 will be selected from the above 29, with the 16 players from A all being selected and a further 6 from B & C.

Apart from Gibbs, I can't imagine any of the kids drafted (other than Hampson perhaps?) would be in with a realistic chance of playing round 1. Would Flint or Edwards be able to sneak into the outside chance group?

This is based on everyone being fit for round 1.

verbs wrote:

Houlihan is knowhere near deserving of automatic selection IMO. Waite needs to deliver early in the season to cement his place.
I reckon O'hAilpin Kennedy Gibbs Bower are certainties for Rnd 1.

budzy wrote:

verbs wrote:

Houlihan is knowhere near deserving of automatic selection IMO. Waite needs to deliver early in the season to cement his place.
I reckon O'hAilpin Kennedy Gibbs Bower are certainties for Rnd 1.

What's the bet I'm right re Houlihan?

Author:	verbs [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:50 pm ]
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Is it just me, or is anyone else finding it difficult to leave people out of their Round 1 side? I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, as our depth has been a shallow as a toddlers pool for many years now. A. I decided to write down a bunch of senior player's names, and then highlighted those who are in my opinion automatic selections if they are fit and availiable: Kouta, Whitnall, Thornton, Stevens, Lappin, Scotland, Murphy, Houlihan, Ackland, Simpson, Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Bentick, Walker, Betts = 16 B. Those on the fringe: O'hAilpin, Cloke, Saddington, Kennedy, Wiggins, Carrazzo, Blackwell = 7 C. Outside chance: Russell, Bower, Hartlett, Gibbs = 4 D. Out of favour/injured: Teague, McLaren = 2 TOTAL: 29 It would be safe to assume the starting 22 will be selected from the above 29, with the 16 players from A all being selected and a further 6 from B & C. Apart from Gibbs, I can't imagine any of the kids drafted (other than Hampson perhaps?) would be in with a realistic chance of playing round 1. Would Flint or Edwards be able to sneak into the outside chance group? This is based on everyone being fit for round 1.

Author:	TruBlueBrad [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:03 pm ]
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I think Gibbs would be a near certainty to play Round 1. Otherwise you're probably close. Bower and Russell would also be closer to on the fringe, Edwards and Flint outside chances. It'll probably come down to a choice between Bower, Flint or Hartlett. My smokey would be Anderson to get a game. Jackson if we have a LTI.

Author:	grrofunger [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:36 pm ]
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DEPTH !! i agree that your 16 will be in others it is very tough - kennedy, ohailpin, carazzo , russell , bower, cloke wow - shit i forgot about gibbs gibbs in um um russell out man thats tough !

Author:	bondiblue [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:53 pm ]
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Verbs...I'm sure you're not the only one having the problem fitting all possibles into the first 22 come round 1. I'd suggest Gibbs, Carrazzo, Setanta and Bower in. Hampson may just sneak in as a genuine tall ruck, given his preseason competitive form. I can't find a spot for Betts...yeah I know in the FP...but as you have experienced...how do you fit them all in? Bloody hard as I'd love to have the pace of Anderson, Benjamin and Grigg ready to go...but doubt it this year unless we have a repeat crap year, ala 2006, and we become fatigued/ disinterested. Here's mine for now: B: Carrazzo Setanta Bower HB: Walker Thornton Scotland C: Simpson Stevens Waite HF: Lappin Whitnall Houlihan F: Gibbs Fevola Kennedy R: Ackland Kouta Murphy INT: Hampson/ Cloke, Fisher, Bentick, Blackwell EMERG: Russell, Betts, Wiggins, Saddo WILDCARD: Flint, Grigg, Anderson, Hartlett (and Jackson as the LT1) ...and not necassrarily in all the above positions; Carrots may be in the middle (my pref) with Walker and Waite in the HBF WHO Misses out? Teague, McLaren, Bannister, Raso, Edwards, and the rest of the new kids and rookies. Aisakie may be the LT1 if it happens in the second half, or if 2 are injured. Any way you look at it...there are no skinny kids in the first 22 other than Hampson and naturally, Lappin...but he's a freak anyway. Tell me I'm not dreaming.

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Author:	blu944 [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:42 pm ]
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It's easier to do if you have an opposition to match up on. Get the starting line from richmond's last game of 2006 and pick a side to play them.

Author:	markj [ Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:53 pm ]
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i'm not sure that bentick is an automatic inclusion .. due to recent injuries and competition for spots in the middle

Author:	barrel47 [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:20 am ]
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My First Round 22 v Richmond: B: Bower, O'hAilpin, Carrazzo HB: Scotland, Thornton, Houlihan C: Waite. Stevens, Simpson HF: Lappin, Whitnall, Fisher F: Koutoufides, Fevola, Betts R: Ackland, Walker, Murphy IC: Kennedy, Gibbs, Saddington, Bentick , EMG: Cloke, Hartlett, Russell, Wiggins, Bannister, Blackwell

Author:	kingkerna [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:28 am ]
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Any chance that JR could compete for Houlihans spot? Just a question, I don't intend for this to be a thread about Houla.

Author:	verbs [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:30 am ]
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I forgot about Bannister. He'd be in group C I suppose. He's an interesting one. Not sure where he fits in.

Author:	Sniff Wilson [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:26 pm ]
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i think you'll find bannister fitting in very nicely wearing a red and white guernsey this year.

Author:	Robert Heatley [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:47 pm ]
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Will be picked each week and are either at their best or finishing up Whitnall Lappin Stevens Fevola Scotland Houlihan Kouta Have shown enough to be picked most weeks but massive upside Walker Murphy Gibbs Kennedy Simpson Fisher O'hAilpin Betts Waite Thornton Wiggins (mainly based on a few of his games mid last year) Should establish themselves this year Russell Blackwell (almost makes group above) Bower (ditto) Potential surprise packets Hartlett Edwards Grigg Flint Hampson Austin Benjamin Anderson Raso Establish themselves as good honest players Carrazzo Bentick Plodders but will get a game due to height Ackland McLaren Cloke Strugglers - but can't discount Teague Saddington Bannister

Author:	Ponkstar [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:51 pm ]
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Thornton and Russell should be omitted in the first round as punishment for their trade week shenanigans. Fev should sit it out for, well, making Warney look like a SNAG. Forget winning. We want to be known as the team that takes the moral high ground!!

Author:	seanpb [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:22 pm ]
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this is my list of guys who SHOULD play every game when available: blackwell bower fevola fisher gibbs hartlett kennedy murphy o'hAilpin russell scotland simpson stevens thornton waite walker whitnall the others will obviously be selected as a result of injury, fitness and form.

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Author:	Rambo Stallone [ Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:46 pm ]
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bondiblue wrote: Verbs...I'm sure you're not the only one having the problem fitting all possibles into the first 22 come round 1. I'd suggest Gibbs, Carrazzo, Setanta and Bower in. Hampson may just sneak in as a genuine tall ruck, given his preseason competitive form. I can't find a spot for Betts...yeah I know in the FP...but as you have experienced...how do you fit them all in? Bloody hard as I'd love to have the pace of Anderson, Benjamin and Grigg ready to go...but doubt it this year unless we have a repeat crap year, ala 2006, and we become fatigued/ disinterested. Here's mine for now: B: Carrazzo Setanta Bower HB: Walker Thornton Scotland C: Simpson Stevens Waite HF: Lappin Whitnall Houlihan F: Gibbs Fevola Kennedy R: Ackland Kouta Murphy INT: Hampson/ Cloke, Fisher, Bentick, Blackwell EMERG: Russell, Betts, Wiggins, Saddo WILDCARD: Flint, Grigg, Anderson, Hartlett (and Jackson as the LT1) ...and not necassrarily in all the above positions; Carrots may be in the middle (my pref) with Walker and Waite in the HBF WHO Misses out? Teague, McLaren, Bannister, Raso, Edwards, and the rest of the new kids and rookies. Aisakie may be the LT1 if it happens in the second half, or if 2 are injured. Any way you look at it...there are no skinny kids in the first 22 other than Hampson and naturally, Lappin...but he's a freak anyway. Tell me I'm not dreaming. INT: Hampson, i doubt he would get a game this year or next,but i like to see him although.

Author:	budzy [ Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:46 pm ]
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verbs wrote: Is it just me, or is anyone else finding it difficult to leave people out of their Round 1 side? I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, as our depth has been a shallow as a toddlers pool for many years now. A. I decided to write down a bunch of senior player's names, and then highlighted those who are in my opinion automatic selections if they are fit and availiable: Kouta, Whitnall, Thornton, Stevens, Lappin, Scotland, Murphy, Houlihan, Ackland, Simpson, Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Bentick, Walker, Betts = 16 B. Those on the fringe: O'hAilpin, Cloke, Saddington, Kennedy, Wiggins, Carrazzo, Blackwell = 7 C. Outside chance: Russell, Bower, Hartlett, Gibbs = 4 D. Out of favour/injured: Teague, McLaren = 2 TOTAL: 29 It would be safe to assume the starting 22 will be selected from the above 29, with the 16 players from A all being selected and a further 6 from B & C. Apart from Gibbs, I can't imagine any of the kids drafted (other than Hampson perhaps?) would be in with a realistic chance of playing round 1. Would Flint or Edwards be able to sneak into the outside chance group? This is based on everyone being fit for round 1. Houlihan is knowhere near deserving of automatic selection IMO. Waite needs to deliver early in the season to cement his place. I reckon O'hAilpin Kennedy Gibbs Bower are certainties for Rnd 1.

Author:	verbs [ Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:52 pm ]
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budzy wrote: verbs wrote: Is it just me, or is anyone else finding it difficult to leave people out of their Round 1 side? I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, as our depth has been a shallow as a toddlers pool for many years now. A. I decided to write down a bunch of senior player's names, and then highlighted those who are in my opinion automatic selections if they are fit and availiable: Kouta, Whitnall, Thornton, Stevens, Lappin, Scotland, Murphy, Houlihan, Ackland, Simpson, Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Bentick, Walker, Betts = 16 B. Those on the fringe: O'hAilpin, Cloke, Saddington, Kennedy, Wiggins, Carrazzo, Blackwell = 7 C. Outside chance: Russell, Bower, Hartlett, Gibbs = 4 D. Out of favour/injured: Teague, McLaren = 2 TOTAL: 29 It would be safe to assume the starting 22 will be selected from the above 29, with the 16 players from A all being selected and a further 6 from B & C. Apart from Gibbs, I can't imagine any of the kids drafted (other than Hampson perhaps?) would be in with a realistic chance of playing round 1. Would Flint or Edwards be able to sneak into the outside chance group? This is based on everyone being fit for round 1. Houlihan is knowhere near deserving of automatic selection IMO. Waite needs to deliver early in the season to cement his place. I reckon O'hAilpin Kennedy Gibbs Bower are certainties for Rnd 1. What's the bet I'm right re Houlihan?

Author:	budzy [ Wed Jan 31, 2007 1:58 pm ]
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verbs wrote: budzy wrote: verbs wrote: Is it just me, or is anyone else finding it difficult to leave people out of their Round 1 side? I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not, as our depth has been a shallow as a toddlers pool for many years now. A. I decided to write down a bunch of senior player's names, and then highlighted those who are in my opinion automatic selections if they are fit and availiable: Kouta, Whitnall, Thornton, Stevens, Lappin, Scotland, Murphy, Houlihan, Ackland, Simpson, Fevola, Waite, Fisher, Bentick, Walker, Betts = 16 B. Those on the fringe: O'hAilpin, Cloke, Saddington, Kennedy, Wiggins, Carrazzo, Blackwell = 7 C. Outside chance: Russell, Bower, Hartlett, Gibbs = 4 D. Out of favour/injured: Teague, McLaren = 2 TOTAL: 29 It would be safe to assume the starting 22 will be selected from the above 29, with the 16 players from A all being selected and a further 6 from B & C. Apart from Gibbs, I can't imagine any of the kids drafted (other than Hampson perhaps?) would be in with a realistic chance of playing round 1. Would Flint or Edwards be able to sneak into the outside chance group? This is based on everyone being fit for round 1. Houlihan is knowhere near deserving of automatic selection IMO. Waite needs to deliver early in the season to cement his place. I reckon O'hAilpin Kennedy Gibbs Bower are certainties for Rnd 1. What's the bet I'm right re Houlihan? IMO

Author:	verbs [ Wed Jan 31, 2007 3:11 pm ]
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Yeah, but what's the bet I'm right? My first 16 was based basically on historical data. Bentick for example didn't miss a game until he did his shoulder very late in the season. Ackland is a direct replacement for French who was No1 ahead of the others. Waite and Fisher both seem to be straight into the side as soon as they are fit. etc. In my opinion, I think O'hAilpin should be in every game. Same for Gibbs. The above 16 seem to be automatically in if fit & in form.