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Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  If Pagan goes...
Will it be a destabilising force when it comes to our few current blue-chip players like Fevola, who has played this year like Pagan's life has depended on his output.

We know of Fevola's connection with Denis, and I hope that if push does come to shove, that Fev doesn't chuck in the towel and go back to his old ways..
Author:  mjonc [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: If Pagan goes...
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Will it be a destabilising force when it comes to our few current blue-chip players like Fevola, who has played this year like Pagan's life has depended on his output.

We know of Fevola's connection with Denis, and I hope that if push does come to shove, that Fev doesn't chuck in the towel and go back to his old ways..


Fevs performances this year are due to his promise to his wife. If I was Fev I wouldn't be reverting back to old habits unless he wants a right royal caning by his better half :lol:
Author:  woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: If Pagan goes...
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Will it be a destabilising force when it comes to our few current blue-chip players like Fevola, who has played this year like Pagan's life has depended on his output.

We know of Fevola's connection with Denis, and I hope that if push does come to shove, that Fev doesn't chuck in the towel and go back to his old ways..


I would imagine that it is all part of the review process Sticks and Bear have conducted. Surely part of their charter is to do a cost / benefit analysis on the playing list and determine the impact if Pagan stays or goes? I would also imagine that part of their charter would be to canvass key personel within the organisation with respect to the possible outcomes. I would consider Fev a key employee of the CFC and his thoughts should have been canvassed.
Is that too much to expect? Is that what happens in a review?
I'm sure Sticks and Bear have the answers.
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:50 pm ]
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OK, thatnks. It was just a question which came to mind.

Good points about the promises to his Wife, and the SWOT analysis being done. Hopefully it will be done properly and professionally
Author:  Skippers Blues [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: If Pagan goes...
mjonc wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
Will it be a destabilising force when it comes to our few current blue-chip players like Fevola, who has played this year like Pagan's life has depended on his output.

We know of Fevola's connection with Denis, and I hope that if push does come to shove, that Fev doesn't chuck in the towel and go back to his old ways..


Fevs performances this year are due to his promise to his wife. If I was Fev I wouldn't be reverting back to old habits unless he wants a right royal caning by his better half :lol:



His better half is well and truly the better half, anyone see her in sundays Herald Sun, she is a very good looking girl! If i was Fev i would trying to stay on her good side as much as possible
Author:  woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:57 pm ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
OK, thatnks. It was just a question which came to mind.

Good points about the promises to his Wife, and the SWOT analysis being done. Hopefully it will be done properly and professionally


My post is tongue in cheek. I don't think Sticks would have done anything like I suggested. Just like I think when it is all done there will be no interviews for the new coach or there may be interviews by they will be Claytons interviews.

Were flying :wink:
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:00 pm ]
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woof wrote:
Kaptain Kouta wrote:
OK, thatnks. It was just a question which came to mind.

Good points about the promises to his Wife, and the SWOT analysis being done. Hopefully it will be done properly and professionally


My post is tongue in cheek. I don't think Sticks would have done anything like I suggested. Just like I think when it is all done there will be no interviews for the new coach or there may be interviews by they will be Claytons interviews.

Were flying :wink:


:oops:
Author:  molsey [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:06 pm ]
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...also, will it change the delistees for 2007? What impact would it have on the list...would a new Coach be more in favour of the running style and set about reducing our list of mid-paced mids? Would a new Coach see the ruck as a main weakness or be more like Thomas?

Would a new Coach go outof his way to restructure the list for 2010 or just make piecemeal changes?

Would special Denis recruits like McLaren be in trouble?

Lots of questions!
Author:  Kaptain Kouta [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:07 pm ]
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molsey wrote:
...also, will it change the delistees for 2007? What impact would it have on the list...would a new Coach be more in favour of the running style and set about reducing our list of mid-paced mids? Would a new Coach see the ruck as a main weakness or be more like Thomas?

Would a new Coach go outof his way to restructure the list for 2010 or just make piecemeal changes?

Would special Denis recruits like McLaren be in trouble?

Lots of questions!


Precisely.

It's not as easy as some people seem to think. There are massive ramifications from any decision on the Coaching position at Carlton.
Author:  Sydney Blue [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:11 pm ]
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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
molsey wrote:
...also, will it change the delistees for 2007? What impact would it have on the list...would a new Coach be more in favour of the running style and set about reducing our list of mid-paced mids? Would a new Coach see the ruck as a main weakness or be more like Thomas?

Would a new Coach go outof his way to restructure the list for 2010 or just make piecemeal changes?

Would special Denis recruits like McLaren be in trouble?

Lots of questions!


Precisely.

It's not as easy as some people seem to think. There are massive ramifications from any decision on the Coaching position at Carlton.



Not quite as bad as you would think KK

BTW he is not gone yet - I still think he will be there
Author:  Marissa [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:22 pm ]
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Dont worry KK... the same thing has crossed my mind too.
Author:  J-Top [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:40 pm ]
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you will have one very pissed off member here, if denis goes
Author:  Chitty's Finger [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:44 pm ]
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J-Top wrote:
you will have one very pissed off member here, if denis goes


Because he is the messiah?
Because we wont have the chance to follow process?
Because you love the way he manages the youth on our list?
Author:  dane [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:48 pm ]
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i like the amount of game time he gives to youngsters it keeps them from getting hurt...he learnt from marc murphy :roll:
Author:  vinny30 [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:53 pm ]
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Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:
J-Top wrote:
you will have one very pissed off member here, if denis goes


Because he is the messiah?
Because we wont have the chance to follow process?
Because you love the way he manages the youth on our list?



BECAUSE THE ELLIOTT GROUP SCREWED US. WE ARE STILL FEELING THE PAIN OF IT ALL. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT WITH THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE HAVE WE SHOULD BE HIGHER ON THE LADDER. WE WONT MAKE THE 8 FOR 2 TO 3 YEARS. ANOTHER COACH AINT GOING TO DO SHIT. WITH BETTER DRAFT PICKS OUR LIST WILL IMPROVE AND IN FUTURE SO WILL OUR ON FIELD PERFORMANCES.

IF YOU DONT HAVE A GOOD LIST 9 TIMES OUT OF TEN YOU WILL FINISH
LAST.
Author:  Chitty's Finger [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:00 pm ]
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Interesting...not 1 reason for keeping Denis, just saying no one could do better?
Author:  dane [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:15 pm ]
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vinny30 wrote:
Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:
J-Top wrote:
you will have one very pissed off member here, if denis goes


Because he is the messiah?
Because we wont have the chance to follow process?
Because you love the way he manages the youth on our list?



BECAUSE THE ELLIOTT GROUP SCREWED US. WE ARE STILL FEELING THE PAIN OF IT ALL. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT WITH THE CURRENT LIST THAT WE HAVE WE SHOULD BE HIGHER ON THE LADDER. WE WONT MAKE THE 8 FOR 2 TO 3 YEARS. ANOTHER COACH AINT GOING TO DO SHIT. WITH BETTER DRAFT PICKS OUR LIST WILL IMPROVE AND IN FUTURE SO WILL OUR ON FIELD PERFORMANCES.

IF YOU DONT HAVE A GOOD LIST 9 TIMES OUT OF TEN YOU WILL FINISH
LAST.


Elliot wasnt that bad was he? His parting gift was Pagan. Thanks Jack.
Author:  Electric Blue [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:21 pm ]
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Brian Cook has come out and NOT pledged full support for Thompson.
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