Point well made Brad.
But even Parko has admitted he should have started the rebuilding process after the 95 GF. That said, I'm not sure his rebuilding process would have involved using draft picks, rather than trading them.
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| Author: | SHHH! [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | David Parkin on the Coodabeens 25 years show tonight. |
Spoke well Spoke briefly Spoke about the other DP joining a club as early as tomorrow. I wonder if it's the Sacked Coaches club? |
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| Author: | woof [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: David Parkin on the Coodabeens 25 years show tonight. |
SHHH! wrote: Spoke well
Spoke briefly Spoke about the other DP joining a club as early as tomorrow. I wonder if it's the Sacked Coaches club? David Parkin has blood on his hands. Examples - Pick 19 traded to St Kilda for Craig Deveport. St Kilda pick 19 B.Hall Pick 31 traded to Geelong for Michael Mansfiled, Geelong pick 31 Paul Chapman. |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: David Parkin on the Coodabeens 25 years show tonight. |
woof wrote: SHHH! wrote: Spoke well Spoke briefly Spoke about the other DP joining a club as early as tomorrow. I wonder if it's the Sacked Coaches club? David Parkin has blood on his hands. Examples - Pick 19 traded to St Kilda for Craig Deveport. St Kilda pick 19 B.Hall Pick 31 traded to Geelong for Michael Mansfiled, Geelong pick 31 Paul Chapman. i told my old man a couple of months ago about the barry hall one and he hasnt recovered since, he reckons david parkin knew this was going to happen to us because he knew we had no future so he called it quits and got off scott free. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: David Parkin on the Coodabeens 25 years show tonight. |
woof wrote: SHHH! wrote: Spoke well Spoke briefly Spoke about the other DP joining a club as early as tomorrow. I wonder if it's the Sacked Coaches club? David Parkin has blood on his hands. Examples - Pick 19 traded to St Kilda for Craig Deveport. St Kilda pick 19 B.Hall Pick 31 traded to Geelong for Michael Mansfiled, Geelong pick 31 Paul Chapman. By that logic so does every other coach, of every other team, since 1986. 18 times clubs passed on Barry Hall. You'd suggest 16 times they shouldn't. 30 times on Chapman, maybe 20 shouldn't. Is David Parkin on his own? Will every coach who ever passed on a better player be held up like this? How about the 15 coaches who passed on Kade Simpson 44 times between them? Blood on their hands? 78 passes on James Hird 104 on Chris Grant |
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| Author: | camel [ Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:42 pm ] |
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Point well made Brad. But even Parko has admitted he should have started the rebuilding process after the 95 GF. That said, I'm not sure his rebuilding process would have involved using draft picks, rather than trading them.
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| Author: | verbs [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:34 am ] |
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Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight. |
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| Author: | woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:57 am ] |
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verbs wrote: Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight.
"Looking bad in hindsight is a direct result of having no foresight". Should be on a desk calendar that quote 
Towards the end of his tenure his decision making in trading first and second round draft picks for older players showed he had little regard for the future and was purely selfish. |
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| Author: | verbs [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:04 am ] |
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woof wrote: verbs wrote: Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight. "Looking bad in hindsight is a direct result of having no foresight". Should be on a desk calendar that quote Towards the end of his tenure his decision making in trading first and second round draft picks for older players showed he had little regard for the future and was purely selfish. After some of the stuff I was reading yesterday, from years gone by, none of us should be be throwing stones in this glass house. Anyway, all humans are selfish. And whilst football is driven by money, and money alone, we are going to have to get used to it. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:24 am ] |
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woof wrote: verbs wrote: Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight. "Looking bad in hindsight is a direct result of having no foresight". Should be on a desk calendar that quote Towards the end of his tenure his decision making in trading first and second round draft picks for older players showed he had little regard for the future and was purely selfish. Trying to top up and win a flag for this football club....very selfish indeed. |
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:27 am ] |
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excellent post Brad, we weren't complaining after winning 13 games straight in 2000 |
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| Author: | woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:57 pm ] |
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TruBlueBrad wrote: woof wrote: verbs wrote: Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight. "Looking bad in hindsight is a direct result of having no foresight". Should be on a desk calendar that quote Towards the end of his tenure his decision making in trading first and second round draft picks for older players showed he had little regard for the future and was purely selfish. Trying to top up and win a flag for this football club....very selfish indeed. And leave it in an awful mess 2 years after you have departed is not. Devonport, Mansfield and O'Reilly got us closer to a flag  2 first round picks and 2 second round picks pissed against the wall for that lot. Should I mention the new book that is due to be released. "The confessions of Stephen O'Reilly", I suggest you get yourself a copy. It will be a good read.
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| Author: | kingkerna [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:06 pm ] |
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Woof you make some valid points and we all know the mistakes that were made. But you would have been up there with the rest of us in 2000 when we were on a roll, if it wasn't for injuries it would have been a who knows what could have happened situation. At least admit that you weren't thinking at the time that we should have been rebuilding instead of winning 13 games straight. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:10 pm ] |
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woof wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: woof wrote: verbs wrote: Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight. "Looking bad in hindsight is a direct result of having no foresight". Should be on a desk calendar that quote Towards the end of his tenure his decision making in trading first and second round draft picks for older players showed he had little regard for the future and was purely selfish. Trying to top up and win a flag for this football club....very selfish indeed. And leave it in an awful mess 2 years after you have departed is not. Devonport, Mansfield and O'Reilly got us closer to a flag 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks pissed against the wall for that lot. Should I mention the new book that is due to be released. "The confessions of Stephen O'Reilly", I suggest you get yourself a copy. It will be a good read.Don't deny he stuffed up and made a mess, but I hardly think you could call it selfish. How many of us were complaining when we used draft picks on Dean Rice, Matt Clape, Glenn Manton, Matthew Hogg etc and traded for Greg Williams and Earl Spalding. That flag in 95 was sweet. |
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| Author: | woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:18 pm ] |
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kingkerna wrote: Woof you make some valid points and we all know the mistakes that were made. But you would have been up there with the rest of us in 2000 when we were on a roll, if it wasn't for injuries it would have been a who knows what could have happened situation. At least admit that you weren't thinking at the time that we should have been rebuilding instead of winning 13 games straight.
We could have done both. I know it is hindsight but the players we picked up for sacrificing two first round picks and two second round picks had no impact on 1999 or 2000. I vividly remember Hamill and Whitnall walking to the forward line in the 1999 Grand Final and being intimidated by Archer and Martyn. I wonder how they would have felt if Barry Hall was standing 10 metres away on their side? We sent Kouta to the backline to play on McKernan in that Grand Final after he destroyed Essendon* by playing in the midfield. We could have drafted one of our own to that job. |
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| Author: | bluechampion [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:29 pm ] |
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woof wrote: kingkerna wrote: Woof you make some valid points and we all know the mistakes that were made. But you would have been up there with the rest of us in 2000 when we were on a roll, if it wasn't for injuries it would have been a who knows what could have happened situation. At least admit that you weren't thinking at the time that we should have been rebuilding instead of winning 13 games straight. We could have done both. I know it is hindsight but the players we picked up for sacrificing two first round picks and two second round picks had no impact on 1999 or 2000. I vividly remember Hamill and Whitnall walking to the forward line in the 1999 Grand Final and being intimidated by Archer and Martyn. I wonder how they would have felt if Barry Hall was standing 10 metres away on their side? We sent Kouta to the backline to play on McKernan in that Grand Final after he destroyed Essendon* by playing in the midfield. We could have drafted one of our own to that job. Woof... that's a bloody silly thing to say, dude. In 1999 Barry Hall was an erratic full-back who couldn't cement a spot in a horrid St. kilda side. And in 1999 Kouta played the whole year at CHB. He had stints in the middle thoughout the year, including that famous last quarter - but he spent the year at CHB. You think in 1999 two first -year players would have made the difference? What impact did Cam Mooney have in that GF? |
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| Author: | verbs [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:40 pm ] |
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David Parkin has taken ALL the blame on countless occasions for poor draft choices and an unwillingness to rebuild, because that is his nature. He is a kind hearted soul, one who is humble and prepared to put up his hand and admit he's not perfect. We know he wasn't the sole decision maker at Carlton during his reign, and to think so is simplifying things greatly. We also know he never uttered the words "Carlton doesn't rebuild". |
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| Author: | woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:07 pm ] |
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verbs wrote: David Parkin has taken ALL the blame on countless occasions for poor draft choices and an unwillingness to rebuild, because that is his nature. He is a kind hearted soul, one who is humble and prepared to put up his hand and admit he's not perfect.
We know he wasn't the sole decision maker at Carlton during his reign, and to think so is simplifying things greatly. We also know he never uttered the words "Carlton doesn't rebuild". The other bloke had the knife in his hands. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:09 pm ] |
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woof wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: woof wrote: TruBlueBrad wrote: woof wrote: verbs wrote: Anyone can be made to look bad in hindsight. "Looking bad in hindsight is a direct result of having no foresight". Should be on a desk calendar that quote Towards the end of his tenure his decision making in trading first and second round draft picks for older players showed he had little regard for the future and was purely selfish. Trying to top up and win a flag for this football club....very selfish indeed. And leave it in an awful mess 2 years after you have departed is not. Devonport, Mansfield and O'Reilly got us closer to a flag 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks pissed against the wall for that lot. Should I mention the new book that is due to be released. "The confessions of Stephen O'Reilly", I suggest you get yourself a copy. It will be a good read.Don't deny he stuffed up and made a mess, but I hardly think you could call it selfish. How many of us were complaining when we used draft picks on Dean Rice, Matt Clape, Glenn Manton, Matthew Hogg etc and traded for Greg Williams and Earl Spalding. That flag in 95 was sweet. No draft picks used for Dean Rice, Glenn Manton, Matt Clape or Brad Pearce. All unwanted discards. Williams no early draft picks traded. We still drafted them rather than a young player. What difference does it make if you select Matthew Hogg at #18 or trade pick #18 to Footscray for him? No picks, but we traded Peter Satori, Ashley Matthews and Simon Minton-Connell for Williams. Similar to the Corey McKernan trade (success different) that Britain was criticised for. How did you feel on that last day in September 1995 knowing that Earl Spalding had cost us a 1st & 2nd Round draft pick? I bet David Parkin had a selfish little grin on his face. |
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| Author: | woof [ Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:34 pm ] |
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camelboy wrote: Point well made Brad.
But even Parko has admitted he should have started the rebuilding process after the 95 GF. That said, I'm not sure his rebuilding process would have involved using draft picks, rather than trading them. He left the cupboard bare not for himself but for Britts and Pagan. No arguments other than perhaps John Eliott forced him too. |
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