I'd probably ask Murphy if he wants a chance at success before he's done. Would get a first round pick from one of those in contention, especially North.

no surrey - get angry - the board that appointed mick and sacked him are still there

If we are Serious about moving forward, then another Huge Clean up of our Miserable list has to occur. Some players have to be moved on, even if it means paying out their contracts. Looking at the current list, here are the players that have no future at our Club, they have ran their race.


Liam Jones- Waste of a talent. Too lazy and not AFL level, the bulldogs knew that along time a go.

Jason Tutt- Speed but not much else. VFL level at best

Sam Kerridge- If he had a footy twin, I would say it must be Nick Graham. Hard at it but takes you no where with their shocking disposals and brains not to mention being slow. They are never going to Win you a Flag.


Nick Graham: As above


Blaine Boekhorst: Serious question marks over him. I don't think he will make it, but perhaps deserves one more year!!

Jed Lamb: Same as above. Average player. Can be good at times but lacks consistency. One more year and let's see if he can make it


Kristian Jaksch : He has to go. Seriously, had enough of this dud. Does nothing and is injury prone

Mark Whiley: He has to go too. Not AFL standards. He is been given too many chances. VFL player at besr


Clem Smith: Just not up to it. Everyone had high hopes of him being the next Eddie Betts but no where near it. He has to go


Jayden Foster: I don't even know why he is on our list. Has anyone seen him play yet?


Matthew Dick : Same as above... what on earth are those players doing on an AFL list? this is crazy

Daniel Gorringe: Big question marks over him. Either him or Philips have to go.. not up to it


Dale Thomas: When will his crazy contract ends? for God's Sake, pay him out and let him go....

Michael Jamison: Has ran his race. Great Servant to our Club....


Mathew Right : Average player...good at times but no consistency.



There are also question marks over Everitt, Simon White, Liam Sumner, Phillips & Rowe. They are never going to win you a flag. At some stage, they all have to go as well.

I've wondered the same thing - did SOS know he was selling us a lemon?
I think Malthouse probably had a fair bit to do with the trade and Boekhurst selection - he wanted instant results to make him look good as opposed to developing an U/18 player.

There weren't many in our team today that i could imagine playing in that Saints team today.

Wrong builds, wrong balanced running gaits, wrong skill sets or just plain bad skills.

So are we saying Bratwurst is a failed pick? Is this because of his running gait?
How many others don't have the correct running gait?

yeah yeah yeah. But they are 15 players (i can debate a few of those, but whatever, the sentiment remains the same) Yes we have to have a clean out- no questions. But its unfair to list those players as our problem. Go through most lists and the bottom 15 players could be moved on as well.
I would argue that we need depth players. Someone that can come in when our better players are injured and play hopefully above themselves and not let the team down. kerridge, Boekhorst etc have the ability to do that. As does thomas. But you are not really interested in role playing are you. What you want is them off the list, so that you dont have to think about the overpaying that we have done to get them.
I would prefer a far more even handed approach, and keep our role players despite their limitations for depth , whilst we are shopping for premiership players. You need some stability and experience in the list in order to slot your new players in and really assess their ability. Gold coast and GWS (yes GWS but to a lesser extent) show that despite talent, that , a whole group of youngsters , just cant perform up to their potential as a team. without that senior leadership framework.

Tomlinson,Marchbank and Stewart want to come to play with us.Jamison has retired.

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Getting these three for our second round pick would be great use of it. Really shores up our key position stocks adding these three to Weitering, Rowe, Powman, White, JGM, Jaksch, McKay, Curnow, Jones and Casboult if he stays.

Keep that 1st round pick and find some high level mids over the next two drafts and the list is taking shape.

What's the salary cap implications of Jamison and Walker retiring now? Both were contracted next year.

Hopefully they count in the cap and we can't spend the money next year.

Wait til Thomas comes off the books and go spending at the end of next year with another Top 5 pick as well.

I've always thought of the GWS 4 trade last year as being pick 28 for Plowman. Anything from the other 3 is a bonus. I think they're only going to be here for a short period and add depth during that time. Sumner more likely than Phillips or Lamb to make it in my opinion.

I'd look at a deal for Tomlinson, Marchbank and Stewart in much the same way. It'd be a trade for Marchbank and a couple of depth players. A second round pick for Marchbank is good business though.

What's the salary cap implications of Jamison and Walker retiring now? Both were contracted next year.

Great clubman to the end not hanging on

100% agree. The other three players were thrown in because GWS needed to clear list space for all their academy players last year. Marchbank is the main GWS player we want and with GWS being currently $600,000 over next year's salary cap at the moment not including the 4-5 academy players they will pick up in this years draft meaning it will be a fire sale as they will have to get rid of players meaning they won't have much bargaining power. Marchbank, steele and maybe tomlinson for our second rounder and one of our 2 third rounders would be awesome.