Our new coach - 2016: Brendon Bolton - 25/8/15

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18024

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

You're right.

You're no expert.

That is right, at least I call it as it is. You probably judge a coach on his media performances. Barker was played forward, coached our forward line an our forwards arent leading to the right spots. We arent scoring 10 goals a game. Get over the feel good factor and while you are at it what makes you an expert

More insightful brilliance.
You couldn't wait to tell us how Malthouse would need years to clean up Rattens mess and you're laying the boots in to Barker after 6 games. :lol:

Funnily enough you weren't gobbing off after he won consecutive games but after hard fought losses against top 8 sides, you've got the knife out.

Maybe he see's something you don't? Just maybe. He has the right to an opinion.

As do I. He's a hypocrite.
He defended Malthouse to the hilt because he needed multiple years to turn around the failures of the previous coach. And when anyone did question Malthouse, he branded them "haters".
Then he has the temerity to criticise Barker after what, 6 games in the role. :lol:

Sorry but 2 and a half years of shit can't be rectified in a month and a half. That's my opinion.

gerry atric · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am **Posts:** 2125

psychologist wrote:

How does it compare to this time last year when I thought we were playing some decent football?

Not as good, altho we did manage a100 pt loss ag Port last year, and we had Judd available in the second half of the year. But it has been a study in decline since 2011 - 14 wins, then 11, 11, 7 and maybe 5 this year. If we have a proper process Barker will be judged on the same criteria as the other potential coaches, and whatever happens btn now and then may not make a lot of difference unless we start beating the hawks or losing to brissy (which we did this year and last year). Not sure if caretaker coaches can do a lot without a pre season to drill a game plan. Anyway i am happy he is not publicly demanding the job like Ratts did and conducts himself in public in a more positive and less self interested way than Mick.

Happy to let the process take its course and hope for the first time this century we get the appointment right.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18024

gerry atric wrote:

psychologist wrote:

How does it compare to this time last year when I thought we were playing some decent football?

Not as good, altho we did manage a100 pt loss ag Port last year, and we had Judd available in the second half of the year. But it has been a study in decline since 2011 - 14 wins, then 11, 11, 7 and maybe 5 this year. If we have a proper process Barker will be judged on the same criteria as the other potential coaches, and whatever happens btn now and then may not make a lot of difference unless we start beating the hawks or losing to brissy (which we did this year and last year). Not sure if caretaker coaches can do a lot without a pre season to drill a game plan. Anyway i am happy he is not publicly demanding the job like Ratts did and conducts himself in public in a more positive and less self interested way than Mick.

Happy to let the process take its course and hope for the first time this century we get the appointment right.

Cant ask for more than that.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

gerry atric wrote:

psychologist wrote:

How does it compare to this time last year when I thought we were playing some decent football?

Not as good, altho we did manage a100 pt loss ag Port last year, and we had Judd available in the second half of the year. But it has been a study in decline since 2011 - 14 wins, then 11, 11, 7 and maybe 5 this year. If we have a proper process Barker will be judged on the same criteria as the other potential coaches, and whatever happens btn now and then may not make a lot of difference unless we start beating the hawks or losing to brissy (which we did this year and last year). Not sure if caretaker coaches can do a lot without a pre season to drill a game plan. Anyway i am happy he is not publicly demanding the job like Ratts did and conducts himself in public in a more positive and less self interested way than Mick.

Happy to let the process take its course and hope for the first time this century we get the appointment right.

Agree.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blue Vain wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

You're right.

You're no expert.

That is right, at least I call it as it is. You probably judge a coach on his media performances. Barker was played forward, coached our forward line an our forwards arent leading to the right spots. We arent scoring 10 goals a game. Get over the feel good factor and while you are at it what makes you an expert

More insightful brilliance.
You couldn't wait to tell us how Malthouse would need years to clean up Rattens mess and you're laying the boots in to Barker after 6 games. :lol:

Funnily enough you weren't gobbing off after he won consecutive games but after hard fought losses against top 8 sides, you've got the knife out.

Maybe he see's something you don't? Just maybe. He has the right to an opinion.

As do I. He's a hypocrite.
He defended Malthouse to the hilt because he needed multiple years to turn around the failures of the previous coach. And when anyone did question Malthouse, he branded them "haters".
Then he has the temerity to criticise Barker after what, 6 games in the role. :lol:

Sorry but 2 and a half years of shit can't be rectified in a month and a half. That's my opinion.

Fair enough

bigfella · **Joined:** Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:50 pm **Posts:** 279

Mickstar wrote:

None of these whiz bang assistants impress me ALA McCartney,Neeld,Watters etc...............do something radical like grab Sam Mitchell or Luke Hodge who are deadset senior coaches waiting to happen....................otherwise throw the kitchen sink at Clarkson.

So was James Hird. And Michael Voss. And even Tim Watson. Not saying that it can't be done, but the odds are against it being successful.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

MPH78 wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Lloyd got the gig purely because "Ross said we should".

On the proviso he joins us in a year's time too :razz:

How many flags has Lyon won?

BluesRockMyWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1341

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fremantle-confirm-carlton-have-approached-simon-lloyd-over-coaching-position-20150721-gigxw5.html

padre · **Joined:** Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:56 pm **Posts:** 934

Loyds appointment would be a refreshing departure from the boards previous efforts, which have been predictable and reactionary .
It would be a courageous decision- if it fails then they would stand to be heavily criticised for appointing an inexperienced coach who has never played the game at the highest level. But it just might be the smartest move.
I think that a non afl player coach has to be that much better than his ex player colleagues just to be taken seriously . Many elite afl players fail at coaching. Being naturally gifted is not necessarily the best grounding for the teaching of others, especially the task of lifting the less talented players. As an elite player there is often an element of their success that is due to pure talent rather than work ethic. The ability to empathise with your less talented players in order to improve them is a very important skill.
I Would be happy if the board went with loyd , who would be a continuation of the wayne brittain concept. Brittain imo did a good job with a terrible list demographic.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Seems to be down to four but I really don't care who it is. It's just good to see a proper process in place. Recruiting & List Management will have the biggest influence in their success whoever is appointed.

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7360

A few years ago the Melbourne Victory searched the world for their next coach... it had taken them several months to come to a decision... appointed the assistant... disaster

I'm getting the same feeling :lol:

camel · **Posted:** Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:07 pm

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-07-21/d ... imon-lloyd

Quote:

Rosich said on Tuesday that Carlton CEO Steven Trigg had spoken to him about approaching Lloyd and a preliminary discussion had already taken place with Lloyd.

"I did receive a call from Steven Trigg seeking my counsel on Simon, and also they sought the opportunity to have a chat to him and that first base chat has taken place," Rosich said.

"Now they'll consider whether Simon is one of the guys that goes to the second phase.

"I think that's common courtesy within the industry. Steven and I have both been in the industry for a very long time and I'd do the same thing with Steven."

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

That article is whole lot of flower-all.

I was surprised to see it written by Alex Malcolm and not Captain Obvious.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 15001

ThePsychologist wrote:

Seems to be down to four but I really don't care who it is. It's just good to see a proper process in place. Recruiting & List Management will have the biggest influence in their success whoever is appointed.

When you say down to four I take it that is Lloyd, Dew, Bolton and Barker?

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

kezza wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Seems to be down to four but I really don't care who it is. It's just good to see a proper process in place. Recruiting & List Management will have the biggest influence in their success whoever is appointed.

When you say down to four I take it that is Lloyd, Dew, Bolton and Barker?

Yes. Don't know for sure, just seems to be the way its falling?

showbag · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:44 am **Posts:** 2662

Hornet wrote:

A few years ago the Melbourne Victory searched the world for their next coach... it had taken them several months to come to a decision... appointed the assistant... disaster

I'm getting the same feeling :lol:

Why would we appoint a coach that failed at Melbourne Victory :wink:

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8206

kezza wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Seems to be down to four but I really don't care who it is. It's just good to see a proper process in place. Recruiting & List Management will have the biggest influence in their success whoever is appointed.

When you say down to four I take it that is Lloyd, Dew, Bolton and Barker?

I'd want to rule out anyone who hasn't played at AFL level. That invariably ends in tears as those coaches never seem to be fully respected. That means I don't want Lloyd and Bolton. Dew and Barker out of that 4. My preference is for someone who has done well with their own team. To me that includes, David Teague, who we know can coach after his time with the Bullants, where he did an outstanding job, as well as Barker of course.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8206

ThePsychologist wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Michael Jezz wrote:

cimm1979 wrote:

You're right.

You're no expert.

That is right, at least I call it as it is. You probably judge a coach on his media performances. Barker was played forward, coached our forward line an our forwards arent leading to the right spots. We arent scoring 10 goals a game. Get over the feel good factor and while you are at it what makes you an expert

More insightful brilliance.
You couldn't wait to tell us how Malthouse would need years to clean up Rattens mess and you're laying the boots in to Barker after 6 games. :lol:

Funnily enough you weren't gobbing off after he won consecutive games but after hard fought losses against top 8 sides, you've got the knife out.

Maybe he see's something you don't? Just maybe. He has the right to an opinion. If you don't agree argue the point not attack the person. Not once have you discussed any facts or reasons to support your opinion.

No, he doesn't see anything. One thing about an opinion, you don't have to know anything to have one. That poster is a case in point.

Everyone bagged Ratten but he has been by far our most successful coach since 2001. Took us from a total rabble to finals in 2 years then within a kick of a PF 2 years later. Alot underestimated Ratten but his record was way better than two premiership coaches here put together. Say what we like, can't argue with the scoreboard. The mess happened after Ratten left. Those who bagged Ratten out now must have egg on their face.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

jim wrote:

kezza wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Seems to be down to four but I really don't care who it is. It's just good to see a proper process in place. Recruiting & List Management will have the biggest influence in their success whoever is appointed.

When you say down to four I take it that is Lloyd, Dew, Bolton and Barker?

I'd want to rule out anyone who hasn't played at AFL level. That invariably ends in tears as those coaches never seem to be fully respected. That means I don't want Lloyd and Bolton. Dew and Barker out of that 4. My preference is for someone who has done well with their own team. To me that includes, David Teague, who we know can coach after his time with the Bullants, where he did an outstanding job, as well as Barker of course.

The one I'm surprised doesn't get a mention Tudor. Highly regarded and is a very astute thinker of the game.

Other names outside the usual suspects I would be speaking to are Brady Rawlings, Ross Smith, Blake Caracella, Ashley Prescott, Josh Francou and Cameron Bruce even with the option of being senior assistants.

As outside the square options I'd look at Gerald Fitzgerald & Michael Turner as development coaches.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

ThePsychologist wrote:

jim wrote:

kezza wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

Seems to be down to four but I really don't care who it is. It's just good to see a proper process in place. Recruiting & List Management will have the biggest influence in their success whoever is appointed.

When you say down to four I take it that is Lloyd, Dew, Bolton and Barker?

I'd want to rule out anyone who hasn't played at AFL level. That invariably ends in tears as those coaches never seem to be fully respected. That means I don't want Lloyd and Bolton. Dew and Barker out of that 4. My preference is for someone who has done well with their own team. To me that includes, David Teague, who we know can coach after his time with the Bullants, where he did an outstanding job, as well as Barker of course.

The one I'm surprised doesn't get a mention Tudor. Highly regarded and is a very astute thinker of the game.

Other names outside the usual suspects I would be speaking to are Brady Rawlings, Ross Smith, Blake Caracella, Ashley Prescott, Josh Francou and Cameron Bruce even with the option of being senior assistants.

As outside the square options I'd look at Gerald Fitzgerald & Michael Turner as development coaches.

I like the thinking. Turner could make a run from behind.

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