Who should coach us next year? **Michael Voss**

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:16 pm

GWS wrote:

I loved what Lombardi said about explaining to the players the way they were going to play and if they played that way then most of the time they’d win.

I remember Parko once talking about markers which if the team met them they would inevitably win.
Don't allow 5+ goal run ons from the opposition is probably what you are after :lol:

Regards Cazzesman

CK95 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:24 pm

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:29 pm

thryleon wrote:

My over arching point remains, the run ons are am emotive thing fans are latching onto. Proper fools that have been played. You can blame a lack of system, you can blame a lack of structure, you can even blame covid, but the true answer is that politics has raised its head and we are likely better off having a new ceo with his coach and football dep as recent rather than let what happened to Bolton when we let Trigg go play out again.

Thats more likely the reason. That's your reason, but not THE LIKELY REASON

Yeah/Nah to the rest of your hypothetical. The run ons are not fairy tale stuff. They are a factual, real and the reason we don't win enough games and hence why the fans are emotional about them.

You mentioned about the players not feeling they could win under Bolton. How would they feel week after week having 5 + kicked on them, then having to fight back and finding out the Coach had no strategic answer on how to stop the rot. Politics or Covid had nothing to do with a lack Defensive planning by Teague, so please spare us the faux angst.

The only thing your stats show is if it continues to happen, you will remain a 2nd rate team going nowhere fast.

Regards Cazzesman

Navy One · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:11 pm

Cazzesman wrote:

Michael Lombardi. If you don't know who he is then see below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_L ... n_football)

Lombardi has written one book, Gridiron Genius: A Master Class in Winning Championships and Building Dynasties in the NFL

Now listen to this from this morning.

https://player.fm/series/sen-breakfast/ ... bardi-7921

Absolutely must listen radio.

Go to 4.40 for talk about Carlton Coaching Selection Process. Riveting stuff.

Regards Cazzesman

Thanks for posting that Cazz ..... that's one great 20min interview.
Luke Sayers ..... fly this go over or get your coaching selection panel to speak to him. Let's not screw up this selection.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:19 pm

CK95 wrote:

camel wrote:

I always thought I was one of the few who liked him?! So I wouldn't want to sponsor him and place the TC curse on him. :lol:

haha, I hadn't thought of that :lol:

And yeah I don't mind him. Admire his intellect because he's obviously a pretty smart guy who always has something interesting to say.

Reckon he loves the sound of his own voice a bit though.

Yep, I definitely think that's something that's evolved over time. :thumbsup:

camel · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:20 pm

Agree with others who've given props to Cazzesman for the Lombardi interview. He spoke with sense and clarity, so I doubt it will impact anyone at our club who matters. :lol:

17th Premiership · **Joined:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am **Posts:** 2742

TBH, I kind of get what Thryleon is saying about the 5 goal thing. Momentum is a thing which happens in many games for and against most teams.
The bigger issue, in any event, is how many goals are kicked against us, period.
And how effective our defensive structures are both amongst the actual defenders and also amongst the broader playing group.

The three key things which have intensified the focus on us is:
a) Run-ons against us were identified half way through last season (or even earlier?) and yet not much of a focus on our defensive capabilities seemed to occur over the pre-season. We built momentum during the pre-season games which notoriously are what teams look like without much serious pressure. When the pressure came in the season proper, we did not deliver.
b) Teague saying before the Bulldogs match that defence is not a big deal; we simply need to score more and a shoot-out suits us... raised a few eyebrows. It is true that we nearly (and should have) beat them. But these comments highlighted that our lack of defensive focus was intentional (together with not addressing it in the off-season). It is fair to argue - as Walsh has been doing - that perhaps Teague was developing a new game plan that would work against the tide. However, he ran out of runway. FYI, I think the whole thing could have been different if we'd just beaten the Pies in Rd 2 or held on to beat the Doggies....
c) Commentators and analysts started to identify specifics - eg. lack of an effective grid, lack of defensive support around Weitering and Jones - they were winning their contests most of the time but if they didn't mark it, we were easily exposed. And, Teague did make changes here in the 2nd half of the season with some success but while this showed he could do it, it also reinforced the queries about why he hadn't done it until then....

We need a coach with a good game plan, who can teach/communicate this plan so that the players are v clear on it and their roles. And can impart the necessary disciplines on and off the field. As well as maintain effective communication through the football department and up to the Board. Teague got a bit lost somewhere in there (or possibly more than one spot). He certainly wasn't provided with the required support but then again, it is also part of his role to get/demand that support.

Cazzesman · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:42 pm

17th Premiership wrote:

TBH, I kind of get what Thryleon is saying about the 5 goal thing. Momentum is a thing which happens in many games for and against most teams.
The bigger issue, in any event, is how many goals are kicked against us, period.
And how effective our defensive structures are both amongst the actual defenders and also amongst the broader playing group.

The three key things which have intensified the focus on us is:
a) Run-ons against us were identified half way through last season (or even earlier?) and yet not much of a focus on our defensive capabilities seemed to occur over the pre-season. We built momentum during the pre-season games which notoriously are what teams look like without much serious pressure. When the pressure came in the season proper, we did not deliver.
b) Teague saying before the Bulldogs match that defence is not a big deal; we simply need to score more and a shoot-out suits us... raised a few eyebrows. It is true that we nearly (and should have) beat them. But these comments highlighted that our lack of defensive focus was intentional (together with not addressing it in the off-season). It is fair to argue - as Walsh has been doing - that perhaps Teague was developing a new game plan that would work against the tide. However, he ran out of runway. FYI, I think the whole thing could have been different if we'd just beaten the Pies in Rd 2 or held on to beat the Doggies....
c) Commentators and analysts started to identify specifics - eg. lack of an effective grid, lack of defensive support around Weitering and Jones - they were winning their contests most of the time but if they didn't mark it, we were easily exposed. And, Teague did make changes here in the 2nd half of the season with some success but while this showed he could do it, it also reinforced the queries about why he hadn't done it until then....

We need a coach with a good game plan, who can teach/communicate this plan so that the players are v clear on it and their roles. And can impart the necessary disciplines on and off the field. As well as maintain effective communication through the football department and up to the Board. Teague got a bit lost somewhere in there (or possibly more than one spot). He certainly wasn't provided with the required support but then again, it is also part of his role to get/demand that support.

Good post 17 but I would argue that he had the support he wanted. At the start of 2021 he had those around him he was happy with. Barker left midway and Power stepped up. Not ideal, but still his choices.

Regards Cazzesman

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

Teague needed more time to get his players.. fish rots from the head. Majority of professional clubs I follow throw development and support on every level but not at Carlton and player development is probably stymied due to clubs culture as board are out of their depth in high performance sport environment. Anyway I think Adam Simpson should be added to the list and see if he is interested coming back to Melbourne now that Leppa officially rejected us.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:07 pm

I love how its shifted from

Teague is great, so shut up

Teague is great, midfield is shit, so shut up

Teague is great, rest of club is shit, so shut up.

Petulance: the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

dannyboy wrote:

I love how its shifted from

Teague is great, so shut up

Teague is great, midfield is shit, so shut up

Teague is great, rest of club is shit, so shut up.

Petulance: the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

Yeah well what if I'm both?

Teague is a good young coach and should have been given support and development to stabilise his game plan and bring players to perform to the game plan.

Then two years to build cohesion between the playing group and play in Preliminary. Thats the way it is done in a High Performance environment in a club with high culture and respect.

Ask Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Melbourne, Bulldogs how they are travelling.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 6363

Walsh wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

I love how its shifted from

Teague is great, so shut up

Teague is great, midfield is shit, so shut up

Teague is great, rest of club is shit, so shut up.

Petulance: the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

Yeah well what if I'm both?

Teague is a good young coach and should have been given support and development to stabilise his game plan and bring players to perform to the game plan.

Then two years to build cohesion between the playing group and play in Preliminary. Thats the way it is done in a High Performance environment in a club with high culture and respect.

Ask Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Melbourne, Bulldogs how they are travelling.

So based on this comment I'm guessing you have acquired years of experience in this area of high performance culture and you're well and truly qualified to back this up?
And given the fact you are pushing this rogue Carlton ticket, one could assume you are vying for the position of director of high performance also?

billc3 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm **Posts:** 4623

17th Premiership wrote:

tap in 79 wrote:

Footy Classified
Hutchy hatches an ingenious scheme to get Clarko to Carlton. It involves securing Cook, no committee, Clarko 23 onwards with Yze as a support coach in 2022.

Caroline Wilson responds with a snigger.
"I think that plan (giggles/laughs) is being carried out at the Gold Coast. I think Gillon McLachlin is working on Clarkson as we speak and has been for some time to get him to the Gold Coast."

Here we go again - the AFL will step in to give added assistance to their preferred teams- whether it be Brisbane, Gold Coast or GWS.
For Wilson, the Gold Coast is more important. "I think there would be a lot more money on offer" It's a "more important job" for Clarko too according to Wilson.

This gives you an insight into the modern day AFL - the needs of Carlton are peripheral. If Carlton ever starts winning again - it would be a team sticking it up a competition leadership that feels it is at the bottom of the chain.

To be honest, Caro is right - both in terms of what is probably going on and in terms of where AFL priority should be.
We are a big club and should be able to take care of ourselves. And our future does not depend on getting Clarkson, although I agree he would be the best choice. But not the only choice.

We should have learned by now that top draft picks don't get you there. Premiership coaches won't do it alone. And certainly, a hand out mentality won't cut it. We have to grow up and do this ourselves. Take responsibility. From the Board, through admin, footy department, coaches, players and boot studders!

It would suit Clarskon much more to take next year off. Take some time with his family, recharge, go o/s probably to a top world class sport team. Nurture his kid through VCE. And then come back refreshed to the nice warm Gold Coast environment where he and his wife can enjoy the lifestyle outside of footy.

Meanwhile, we need to focus on getting someone who is top notch and hungry. And keen right now.

AFL interference worked well with Coniglio....

Don't want anyone that doesn't REALLY want to be here... AND that includes Clarkson

Go Blues

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

Sidefx wrote:

Walsh wrote:

dannyboy wrote:

I love how its shifted from

Teague is great, so shut up

Teague is great, midfield is shit, so shut up

Teague is great, rest of club is shit, so shut up.

Petulance: the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

Yeah well what if I'm both?

Teague is a good young coach and should have been given support and development to stabilise his game plan and bring players to perform to the game plan.

Then two years to build cohesion between the playing group and play in Preliminary. Thats the way it is done in a High Performance environment in a club with high culture and respect.

Ask Geelong, Richmond, Hawthorn, Brisbane, Melbourne, Bulldogs how they are travelling.

So based on this comment I'm guessing you have acquired years of experience in this area of high performance culture and you're well and truly qualified to back this up?
And given the fact you are pushing this rogue Carlton ticket, one could assume you are vying for the position of director of high performance also?

Pretty much I spent four years as a teen in a youth system in Europe and spent seven year with European club in my mid 20s - mainly in Italy (Serie D + C), Greece (Division B) and Campionnat National in France which is third division. I'm now a qualified Sports Scientist and Data Analyst - I can get a job in any European club if I want to and money spent with these clubs in line with AFL clubs. What I see from the Blues is a complete and utter headtwister. I can't believe these people take themselves seriously

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... 0fb21cec1b

"Theory"
"Indicative"

Gee some pretty concrete words by that media idiot.

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

dannyboy wrote:

I love how its shifted from

Teague is great, so shut up

Teague is great, midfield is shit, so shut up

Teague is great, rest of club is shit, so shut up.

Petulance: the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

Haha oh I needed a laugh
Thank you

Beijing Blue · **Joined:** Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:02 pm **Posts:** 647

GWS wrote:

I loved what Lombardi said about explaining to the players the way they were going to play and if they played that way then most of the time they’d win.

I remember Parko once talking about markers which if the team met them they would inevitably win. Can’t remember what the numbers were and they’d be different these days but it was the stats without the ball like tackles and shepherds rather than disposals or marks that he was referring to and if the team hit certain levels they almost never lost.

As I recall, one of those off the ball criterion was "sacrificial acts".

GWS · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:57 pm

Beijing Blue wrote:

GWS wrote:

I loved what Lombardi said about explaining to the players the way they were going to play and if they played that way then most of the time they’d win.

I remember Parko once talking about markers which if the team met them they would inevitably win. Can’t remember what the numbers were and they’d be different these days but it was the stats without the ball like tackles and shepherds rather than disposals or marks that he was referring to and if the team hit certain levels they almost never lost.

As I recall, one of those off the ball criterion was "sacrificial acts".

Been a while since we’ve seen many of those... :lol:

CFC8795 · **Posted:** Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:00 pm

GWS wrote:

Beijing Blue wrote:

GWS wrote:

I loved what Lombardi said about explaining to the players the way they were going to play and if they played that way then most of the time they’d win.

I remember Parko once talking about markers which if the team met them they would inevitably win. Can’t remember what the numbers were and they’d be different these days but it was the stats without the ball like tackles and shepherds rather than disposals or marks that he was referring to and if the team hit certain levels they almost never lost.

As I recall, one of those off the ball criterion was "sacrificial acts".

Been a while since we’ve seen many of those... :lol:

Been a while since we've seen ANY of those :banghead:

jezzarules · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:09 pm **Posts:** 5878

CFC8795 wrote:

GWS wrote:

Beijing Blue wrote:

GWS wrote:

I loved what Lombardi said about explaining to the players the way they were going to play and if they played that way then most of the time they’d win.

I remember Parko once talking about markers which if the team met them they would inevitably win. Can’t remember what the numbers were and they’d be different these days but it was the stats without the ball like tackles and shepherds rather than disposals or marks that he was referring to and if the team hit certain levels they almost never lost.

As I recall, one of those off the ball criterion was "sacrificial acts".

Been a while since we’ve seen many of those... :lol:

Been a while since we've seen ANY of those :banghead:

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