So is it confirmed lists will be reduced?

Fair question. Marchbank would have no trade currency at the moment, so delisting a player of his ability just seems like bad list management to me (unless the medical prognosis is bad).

We know he can play, so I guess it depends on what the medicos are saying about him. If the forecast for his body is good, he is too talented to let go for nothing. A one year deal, possibly on reduced coin, would seem reasonable. However, if his neck & knee are still of concern, then I agree we can’t afford to keep him with shortened lists. I reckon we might be more likely to move him on if Macreadie & Williamson finish 2020 strongly.

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Not confirmed as far as I know, but considered highly probable.

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Haha. Kennedy and Plowman.

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Ed and Jones consistent performers who are too old to have trade value, have good fitness records and no one in reserve providing meaningful competition... Why would you see them as expendable? Not sure I understand the high regard Macreadie is held in, he looked way out of his element last time he played Firsts.

The likes of Ed and Plow and Jones and some others are obviously unlikely to go, but if there's a club that sees moneyball value along with our draft picks in a trade situation then why not look at it.

With Macreadie, yeah there'll be lots of views on his worth. I just reckon he's got AFL tricks and he's got age on his side.

Assuming it’s correct there will be lists of 40 next year (including rookies), I’m guessing we’ll be cutting around 10-12 players. So I reckon all but a few of the unhighlighted above will be gone.

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At the moment I'd expect Newnes to remain and possibly Macreadie if he stays healthy.

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You’re probably right about Newnes. But if his form drops off in the second half of the year, he could be in trouble.

The next couple of months are make or break for Macreadie. For me, ‘make’ means forcing his way into the senior side and doing OK. With Newman and Marchbank out, and Williamson not quite established, there’s an opportunity for him if he can string some solid scratch matches together.

Two of Murphy, Simmo, Betts & E Curnow will probably hang on. My money is on E Curnow and Murphy, barring serious injury before season’s end. I’m pretty sure it’s over for Kreuzer sadly.

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Tom Browne was reporting earlier in the week that Murphy was about to pen a new one year deal, so I'm a little shocked to hear of his passing.

If 40 is the number, then the cuts won't be all that hard this year.

Lang, Polson, Macreadie & Finbar off the main list. Moore, Goddard & Owies off the rookie list.

That gets us to 39, including a promotion for Gibbons and the flexibility to cut/promote Honey, Cottrell or Phillips depending on what happens to the rookie list.

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Then we need to cut another 5 (minimum) from the primary list to make room for the new players we intend to pick up in the draft, FA & trade periods.

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That’d be a different discussion. Those seven names I listed could be cut loose today... until Moore was selected, I wouldn’t have thought they even went into camp.

The decisions re Simpson, Betts, Murphy & Kreuzer are pretty cut & dry. If any of Dow, O’Brien, Fisher, de Koning & Ben Silvagni can’t win their spots, then it’s time to cut bait and hope that the old bodies can survive another season.

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If we cut Dow and TDK, they won't even touch the ground before they get picked up. O'Brien might get picked up. Ben is an unknown and I would be surprised if he gets cut without at least a look. His issue is that we are flush with tall defenders atm.

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Amongst the fit players, Dow, O’Brien & Fisher are behind Gibbons, Newnes, Kennedy & even Philp.

The return of Newman, Charlie & Jack will only push them further down the list, as the pieces are moved around the board. And then there’s Kemp & the others that are as yet unseen (but probably only Kemp).

I’m not emotionally attached to Fisher like some are, but I’ll concede he could probably have as much impact as Gibbons, or perhaps Cunningham (on average). However, that only puts him somewhere around the 19th to 28th choice.

I don’t care much for either O’Brien or TDK. Neither of them bring anything that is above average to the table and redundancies are looming.

Getting Dow back into the 22 before this year is finished would be a good first year result for Luke Power.

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Dow, Fisher, LOB & TDK have another year (in Dow’s case, 2 years) to run on their contract, so I doubt any of them will be delisted. The only way I can see them leaving is if they are unhappy at Carlton and/or if one of them is packaged up with a first round draft pick for Josh Kelly.

Ben Silvagni is an interesting one; family name aside, he does look promising as a long term prospect. Towards the end of last season, and from what I saw before the shutdown this year, he has genuinely improved. Whether he has enough upside at a time of shortening lists is the question. People will say we have an abundance of key defenders, but keep in mind that Jones is 29, Goddard will be delisted and Marchbank & Macreadie have trouble staying on the park.

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An unknown factor in this is Stocker. I’m assuming at this point he will be back next season, but we don’t know what the situation is.

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Macreadie reportedly showed great skills in the air and on the ground in recent reserves game.

Good to hear he's on the comeback trail. He played really well in the preseason 2 years ago.

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I’d expect that if the cut the primary list to 40 then the minimum turn over would also be cut, 2-3 from the draft, FA & trade periods for this year would be more than sufficient when coupled with the list reductions. If clubs want to cut harder then let them, but don’t force them to prematurely end careers of currently listed players.