New coach discussion and poll

camel · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:00 pm

Sidefx wrote:

For all you Ratt-a-files:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-18/ ... -blues-gig

And another…

Ratten open to coaching AFL Saints, Blues
https://www.sportsnews.com.au/afl/ratte ... ues/486239

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:31 pm

What about Rhyce Shaw?
His record isnt bad

What about Caracella? Bassatt?
I'm surprised that Voss got so many more votes....

What about Sumich?

Dare I say Matthew Knights?

jake_h03 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:15 pm

I’m actually warming to the idea of Ratten coming back

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toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

Docherty spent two years with Voss. Hopefully gave some feedback up the chain on what he was like when he was a young player. We do have a few on our list. Possibly also provide some insights on Voss’ shortcomings, and asked him how he has worked on them in the intervening time.

Can’t see why Voss would be better than Teague in any case.

famousblueraincoat · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:20 pm

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...

Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs

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No no no. Way to manipulate statistics. How many coaches coached a second team to a flag OUT OF number of coaches to coach a 2nd team. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR THAT MATTERS.

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is The Denominator available?

Why isn't he on the list.

sinbagger · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:25 pm

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...

Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs

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No no no. Way to manipulate statistics. How many coaches coached a second team to a flag OUT OF number of coaches to coach a 2nd team. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR THAT MATTERS.

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Wayne Johnston’s interested?

CK95 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:37 pm

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

GreatEx · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:58 pm

CK95 wrote:

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

muzza · **Joined:** Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:41 pm **Posts:** 2385

CK95 wrote:

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

Rather have the Terminator.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

GreatEx wrote:

CK95 wrote:

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

+1

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:41 pm

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...

Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs

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No no no. Way to manipulate statistics. How many coaches coached a second team to a flag OUT OF number of coaches to coach a 2nd team. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR THAT MATTERS.

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Ahh I see. Sorry. Was just making a simple point that the vast majority of premierships have been one by coaches who were first timers, so we shouldn’t swerve Teague just because he doesn’t have senior coaching experience. I BEG FORGIVENESS

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Apart from a few early grand finals where the coach was not nominated there have been 50 coaches that have won flags
26 won only one flag
24 won 2 or more

Steve_C7 · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:39 pm **Posts:** 1002

jake_h03 wrote:

Steve_C7 wrote:

sinbagger wrote:

Steve_C7 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.

We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.

There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.

No coach, Teague included will accept a 1 year contract and what will we achieve next year if we change coach again?

We can't be half pregnant about who is going to lead this club, Teague is either our man or he is not.

Disagree. Senior coaching jobs are bloody hard to come by and I think Teague jump at another year to prove himself even if there’s no guarantees beyond that. Who knows when he’ll get another opportunity, and he has one of the most talented young lists in the league at his disposal with a lot of players who have done their apprenticeship

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I suspect his manager will be advising that a 1 year contract could be a poison chalice as a bad run of injuries to key players could mean no extension and very few get a second chance.

Further from a club point of view it shows that we don't have a clear direction of where we are heading, can't make strong decisions and don't back our coach to do the job.

Good luck getting free agents and sponsors to the club

jake_h03 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:44 pm

Sydney Blue wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

jake_h03 wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

[quote="jake_h03"]......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...

Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs

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No no no. Way to manipulate statistics. How many coaches coached a second team to a flag OUT OF number of coaches to coach a 2nd team. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR THAT MATTERS.

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Ahh I see. Sorry. Was just making a simple point that the vast majority of premierships have been one by coaches who were first timers, so we shouldn’t swerve Teague just because he doesn’t have senior coaching experience. I BEG FORGIVENESS

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Apart from a few early grand finals where the coach was not nominated there have been 50 coaches that have won flags
26 won only one flag
24 won 2 or more[/quote]

How many have won them at their second club though? Winning multiple at the same club isn’t really relevant to our situation

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Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:10 pm

Seven who have coached flags at two clubs - so almost 1/3rd of the multiple winning coaches
dont ask me who moved from one club to another and won flag at new club without winning at original club
Malthoues
Parkin
Mathews
Jeans
Barras
Bentley
Worrall

CFC8795 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:18 pm

Why don’t they (the Carlton Board) just look at the voting on this thread for the answer to the vexed question of who should be the next coach?
Surely the collective wisdom of the TC Posters is more than the Carlton Board. :smoking:

The TC Posters would certainly be less emotional. :thumbsup:

Rocco Iguana · **Joined:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1362

GreatEx wrote:

CK95 wrote:

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

And always below the line

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Rocco Iguana · **Joined:** Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:37 pm **Posts:** 1362

Rocco Iguana wrote:

GreatEx wrote:

CK95 wrote:

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

And always below the line

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Bugger, meant the denominator thing

Anyway for me Ratts is the man and Teague his 2IC

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bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23934

CK95 wrote:

The denominator is available, at a fraction of the cost

Ha!

Navy Blue Horse · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:39 pm **Posts:** 15848

Why would Teague want to be 2IC to Ratts?

If Ratten wasn't ex Carlton we'd be lumping him in with Voss. No thanks. been there, done that.

toddkurnski · **Joined:** Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:27 am **Posts:** 3581

Thinking back, I think Barker won two and lost a couple of close ones when he took over. I’m not sure whether there was a groundswell of support for him though. After that short renaissance, the teams performance fell away to come last.

Teague needs to keep winning to have a chance. Looking at that GC team, losing this week would be a pretty significant blow to his chances.

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