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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 9:01 pm 
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Do not see what Austin has done to warrant selection in the 1s? Didn't seem to be any kind of stand out player for the Ants last year, and I dont see why he would be picked over alot of other blokes??

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:51 am 
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Armfield Jamison O'hAilpin
Lucas Bower Russell
Simpson McLean Walker
Garlett Henderson Gibbs
Kreuzer Waite Betts
Warnock Judd Murphy
Carrazzo Houlihan Scotland Yarran

Joseph McCarthy Watson
Laidler Thornton Duigan
Tuohy Davies McInness
Collins Austin Robinson
Casboult White Kerr
Hampson Cachia Ellard
Curnow Dare O'Keeffe Twomey
Bray Carter Mitchell Labi

I think with the likelihood of resting ruckmen in opposition forward lines becoming the norm we need at least one genuine tall down back. I've put O'hAilpin there on the basis he is ahead of Austin and the newbies Watson and McCarthy who (unless they try Hampson as a defender) are the only other defenders with real height. I expect given a good showing in the NAB cup one of Laidler or Duigan may well push into the firsts squeezing Lucas to the bench and Yarran out, but at this stage its probably a shoot-out between them and I don't have enough info to make that call. PS with the reserves I've basically listed the new/injured rookies plus Mitchell (given his shoulder is in a sling) and Dare on the bench as furthest from senior selection, placing Cachia and Casboult in the starting 18 and probable leaders for the shot as nominated rookies, but again pre-season and NAB will reveal more.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Slightly different to everyone else's...it is mid-December - but this is how I view it come Round One.
I personally don't think Kreuzer should come back until Round 3 or 4...even then - it's a 10 month turnaround from an ACL for ruckman.

B: Scotland Jamison Armfield
HB: Yarran Bower Laidler Russell
C: Simpson Gibbs Lucas
HF: Garlett Henderson Walker
F: Waite Betts
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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:36 am 
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
I personally don't think Kreuzer should come back until Round 3 or 4...even then - it's a 10 month turnaround from an ACL for ruckman.

I'm no doctor but have been thinking the same thing.
Waite ruptured his ACL in Rd 9 2009 and was barely ready for Rd 1 this year (played his first competitive hit out - half a Bullants practice match 2 weeks before).
Considering that Kreuzer did his knee in Rd 13 - 4 weeks later you'd think Round 3-4 would be the best case scenario for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Humpers wrote:
Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
I personally don't think Kreuzer should come back until Round 3 or 4...even then - it's a 10 month turnaround from an ACL for ruckman.

I'm no doctor but have been thinking the same thing.
Waite ruptured his ACL in Rd 9 2009 and was barely ready for Rd 1 this year (played his first competitive hit out - half a Bullants practice match 2 weeks before).
Considering that Kreuzer did his knee in Rd 13 - 4 weeks later you'd think Round 3-4 would be the best case scenario for him.


Yeah as good as Kreuzer is, we have the ruck stocks to get us through, so there is no point rushing him back. My prediction is round 10. I would think at least 2 or 3 weeks in the VFL first.

Having said that, some people heal better than others so although there is a guideline as to how long injuries take, its not always a set time.

Also Waite's knee was physically ready, he just lost form after a few weeks because he had not had match of a hit out before he jumped straight into it. From memory it was to do with his timing and Ratts sent him back to the VFL to get it right.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Teamboard updated

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- Added squad number for player(s) Curnow, Twomey, Carter & Bray


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Good work Jim,
that's the first time I've looked at the team board and it's really hard to fit everyone in - particularly when trying to get games into some youngsters.

The squad is in pretty good shape in my opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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There's even a battle for the nominated rookie slots given the pick-ups of Twomey & Curnow. We'll definitely use both slots, just a matter of whether Rhys or Zach will work their way into the mix.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Bray...where have I heard that name before? Any relation to Ezra Bray?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Bray...where have I heard that name before? Any relation to Ezra Bray?

Doubtful

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
There's even a battle for the nominated rookie slots given the pick-ups of Twomey & Curnow. We'll definitely use both slots, just a matter of whether Rhys or Zach will work their way into the mix.



You'd think all of Touhy, o'Keeffe, Dare, Casboult, Twomey and Cunrow would have a legitimate chance at the two spots.

Finally, some competition on our list.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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The Shag wrote:
jimmae wrote:
There's even a battle for the nominated rookie slots given the pick-ups of Twomey & Curnow. We'll definitely use both slots, just a matter of whether Rhys or Zach will work their way into the mix.



You'd think all of Touhy, o'Keeffe, Dare, Casboult, Twomey and Cunrow would have a legitimate chance at the two spots.

Finally, some competition on our list.

Dare has no chance unless he performs outstandingly well in the pre-season. On paper he's at the end of a long list of medium defenders.

I think the club are trying to get him into some midfield work, however. I've said since last season wrapped up that he's not going to survive in any other position at AFL level than as a big bodied mid shovelling the ball out.

Casboult is now at the end of a long list of talls, but I suppose he's a small chance given Mitchell's 14 week absence.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I reckon Casboult has pushed himself up the list Jim. He's in very good condition and remember, he's got a couple of years on the draftees.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Having seen Casboult in the flesh at Sorrento he looks in fantastic shape. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
Casboult is now at the end of a long list of talls, but I suppose he's a small chance given Mitchell's 14 week absence.


I disagree.

Where is this long list of full forwards?
He is also big enough to be a back up ruckman.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
Dare has no chance unless he performs outstandingly well in the pre-season. On paper he's at the end of a long list of medium defenders.


Whats with all the Dare hate jimmae?

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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dane wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Dare has no chance unless he performs outstandingly well in the pre-season. On paper he's at the end of a long list of medium defenders.


Whats with all the Dare hate jimmae?

None. Just think he's a good footballer without much of an AFL spot for himself unless he goes to the middle.

We've got a tall senior list, that is choc full of medium defenders. Curnow, Twomey & O'Keeffe can add midfield drive, while Tuohy can lock down a player in defence.

Dare & Casboult stand to make little to no impact this season, things as they are. Casboult has certainly made inroads with regards to his fitness, and Dare has as good a chance along with Cachia to snatch a senior list spot as an inside mid, but I just can't see them being in the pool for the two nominated rookie slots unless another injury strikes.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Dare's last few games of the season were outstanding Jim. Would have had him in for the sydney game ahead of davies.
He's got a bit of class Jim.. agreed though, would probably be between 3rd-6th rookie in line for senior selection.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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jimmae wrote:
Dare has no chance unless he performs outstandingly well in the pre-season. On paper he's at the end of a long list of medium defenders.

I think the club are trying to get him into some midfield work, however. I've said since last season wrapped up that he's not going to survive in any other position at AFL level than as a big bodied mid shovelling the ball out.


Has Dare ever played in the midfield? I thought he showed real promise as a medium defender for the Bullants this year. I'm not completely convinced he'll make it in the AFL, but I'm a bit more bullish about Dare as a medium defender than you are jimmae. As he gets fitter & stronger, I think he could develop into an attacking defender for us. It won't happen in 2011, but he's a decent medium-to-long term prospect for our backline. Assuming he has a solid year in the VFL next year, I think it's very likely he'll be promoted to our primary list for 2012. He seems to be well regarded by the club.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote:
Slightly different to everyone else's...it is mid-December - but this is how I view it come Round One.
I personally don't think Kreuzer should come back until Round 3 or 4...even then - it's a 10 month turnaround from an ACL for ruckman.

B: Scotland Jamison Armfield
HB: Yarran Bower Laidler Russell
C: Simpson Gibbs Lucas
HF: Garlett Henderson Walker
F: Waite Betts
Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Int: Robinson Houlihan Hampson Ellard


That looks about right to me Doc. Although I think Carrazzo deserves to start the season in our best 22. Ellard will have to have exceptional NAB Cup form to be selected ahead of Carrots, IMO.

And I haven't seen enough of Laidler to say that he should start in our best 22. I suppose he'll be competing with Austin & Watson for his spot in the backline for Round 1.

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