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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:57 pm 
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Ratugolea?


Re-signed for another 2 years with the Cats in June this year. Going no-where.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:41 am 
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if we end up with cerra & hewitt (and potentially Lipinski) then its another succesful trade period.

if we can do that and somehow keep our 1st this year (i.e. 1st next year for Cerra) then its outstanding.

i think we are two or 3 midfielders short of being where we want to be as a side ... and starting to create some real depth in the process in every line

Tall Forwards - McKay, Curnow, McGovern, Silvagni, McDonald
Small Forwards - Honey, Durdin, Owies, Gibbons, Fogarty, Fisher
Midfield - Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Stocker, Cunningham, E. Curnow, Martin, Dow, Kennedy, Hewitt, Lipinski, SPS, Setterfield
Tall Defenders - Weitering, Jones, Kemp, Marchbank
Small Defenders - Saad, WIlliams, Plowman, Newman, Docherty, Parks, Williams
Ruck - TDK, Pittonet, Mirkov

you look at our list, and it really is a terrible scenario that we didnt play finals this year ...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 9:53 pm 
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Need two bonafide mids and a bonafide wing

If we are not top 3-5 in clearances and stoppages dont expect to win many games and talent going through there at this moment isnt good enough.

Maybe Hewett as FA
Pick 6(8) for Cerra
Future 2nd for Lipinski to play on the other wing
2022 first for Parker and Stephenson with 2nd coming back.
Might be going somewhere,


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 10:38 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Need two bonafide mids and a bonafide wing

If we are not top 3-5 in clearances and stoppages dont expect to win many games and talent going through there at this moment isnt good enough.

Maybe Hewett as FA
Pick 6(8) for Cerra
Future 2nd for Lipinski to play on the other wing
2022 first for Parker and Stephenson with 2nd coming back.
Might be going somewhere,


That would be a dream if it happened.
I would do that...if only.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:14 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Need two bonafide mids and a bonafide wing

If we are not top 3-5 in clearances and stoppages dont expect to win many games and talent going through there at this moment isnt good enough.

Maybe Hewett as FA
Pick 6(8) for Cerra
Future 2nd for Lipinski to play on the other wing
2022 first for Parker and Stephenson with 2nd coming back.
Might be going somewhere,



Let's just get a coach who doesn't need a list of 22 A Graders to be successful.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:13 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Need two bonafide mids and a bonafide wing

If we are not top 3-5 in clearances and stoppages dont expect to win many games and talent going through there at this moment isnt good enough.

Maybe Hewett as FA
Pick 6(8) for Cerra
Future 2nd for Lipinski to play on the other wing
2022 first for Parker and Stephenson with 2nd coming back.
Might be going somewhere,


I like the names but prices are a bit steep.

Cerra is probably about right.

Future second is overs for Lipinski and I’d think the Dogs will be looking for picks this year to offset the Darcy deficit.

Parker is a FA.

Then there’s the salary cap


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:17 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Need two bonafide mids and a bonafide wing

If we are not top 3-5 in clearances and stoppages dont expect to win many games and talent going through there at this moment isnt good enough.

Maybe Hewett as FA
Pick 6(8) for Cerra
Future 2nd for Lipinski to play on the other wing
2022 first for Parker and Stephenson with 2nd coming back.
Might be going somewhere,


I like the names but prices are a bit steep.

Cerra is probably about right.

Future second is overs for Lipinski and I’d think the Dogs will be looking for picks this year to offset the Darcy deficit.

Parker is a FA.

Then there’s the salary cap


Plenty not signed yet and plenty to delist to make space. SPS is on $500k is the whisper - Betts, Murphy and Cas would take up $1M between them.... I reckon we have plenty of cap space.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:29 am 
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Rod Ashman

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Walsh wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Need two bonafide mids and a bonafide wing

If we are not top 3-5 in clearances and stoppages dont expect to win many games and talent going through there at this moment isnt good enough.

Maybe Hewett as FA
Pick 6(8) for Cerra
Future 2nd for Lipinski to play on the other wing
2022 first for Parker and Stephenson with 2nd coming back.
Might be going somewhere,


I like the names but prices are a bit steep.

Cerra is probably about right.

Future second is overs for Lipinski and I’d think the Dogs will be looking for picks this year to offset the Darcy deficit.

Parker is a FA.

Then there’s the salary cap


Plenty not signed yet and plenty to delist to make space. SPS is on $500k is the whisper - Betts, Murphy and Cas would take up $1M between them.... I reckon we have plenty of cap space.


$500k….really? Wow!

It’ll depend on how much front loading we did and whether we need to upgrade Walsh’s contract now to keep him happy. Whenever that happens it’ll require a fair chunk of change.

Need a competent senior ruck too. Not overly keen on having 4 on the list but I wouldn’t have resigned Pittonet until after the trade period.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:52 pm 
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keep p6 and offer next years first for cerra.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 2:37 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
keep p6 and offer next years first for cerra.

This year's first for Gibcus. Only other area we are short (no pun intended) are KPB. By the time Jones retires he will be ready.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:12 pm 
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List management priorities need to be based on how we think we're gonna play in 2022 and onwards.

With that in mind we need to decide on the following:

What our Ruck situation is going to be -
a) Do we play one ruckman with a tall utility to offer a chop-out?
b) Do we play two genuine rucks?

If a) who is that tall utility player? Do we need to trade one in? Do we think that at this stage in his career De Koning is that player and Pittonet is the no 1 ruckman?
If b) do we need another ruck on the list so that we can play the same style in the VFL, and to provide depth?

This then affects our forward set-up -
Our no. 1 and no. 2 tall forwards are set: McKay & Curnow. We then have either a resting ruckman or a tall utility-type. That's probably enough talls, so where do players like Silvagni & McGovern fit into this set-up? What is our mix of small forwards and half-forwards and resting mids? We have many players who play a bit forward and a bit mid - Fisher, Cunningham, Martin, E. Curnow (recently)... possibly SPS? How many spots can we have for players like this?

What our mix is in defence -
Again, we have our two tall defenders locked-in, but who plays as third tall?
Plowman, Parks, Marchbank... heck, maybe McGovern. Kemp?
You could mount an argument that we could recruit a mature tall defender to allow Jones to play more as the third, intercepting tall who can watch someone smaller than he is due to his speed.
What are our plans with Kemp? Is he going to be a defender? Same with Stocker - is he a defender in 2022?
We then have a number of small defenders: Docherty, Saad, Williams (maybe), Newman, Stocker (maybe). If we play two talls, and a third tall / medium defender / intercepting mark, then only three of them get a game each week. Which three?
Also, succession planning for Jones really needs to start at this draft.

And all of these affect the midfield, but the pressing questions are:
Who rotates through the middle?
What is our depth like?
Who plays wing?
Wing is a big one - Wing is a specialist position again and we only seem to have three players who can genuinely play the position - O'Brien, Newnes and Walsh. Do we need to recruit specialist wing players? Or say to someone like Carroll - you're a wingman, train for the position.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:24 pm 
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bluechampion wrote:
What our mix is in defence -
Again, we have our two tall defenders locked-in, but who plays as third tall?
Plowman, Parks, Marchbank ... heck, maybe McGovern. Kemp

What are our plans with Kemp? Is he going to be a defender?

We then have a number of small defenders: Docherty, Saad, Williams (maybe), Newman, Stocker (maybe). If we play two talls, and a third tall / medium defender / intercepting mark, then only three of them get a game each week. Which three?


Yeah, I'm intrigued as well about how we're going to structure this. I suspect Kemp is a lock to keep developing in defence. With his package of height and athleticism, he's too talented to not be in the side. Thankfully he's one of those guys who should be able to match up on smaller guys. And if we keep Marchbank and he can actually stay fit, I think he's another lock to be played in defence. He's been out of the team too long to be playing him in some other more experimental role.

But with Weiters, Jones and Plowman all locks as well. It certainly places a squeeze on the small defender role. Pretty sure Saad and Docherty will be prioritised. So perhaps Williams midfield/small forward? Stocker redeployed to midfield?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:50 pm 
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Fremantle are going to be coming hard for our pick 6, now that Neale has said he wants to go back WA, Brisbane will want at least that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:06 pm 
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I’m happy to trade p6 for Adam Cerra, former pick 5 , shown good ability , can kick a ball with reasonable up side, has had 3 yrs development , well balanced at 187 cm 86 kg is a good size.
No issue at all , prefer 2022 1st & SPS but if not acceptable, go ahead with 2021 p6.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:11 pm 
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Reckon they'll want more than our first for Cerra. Whether we agree to part with more remains to be seen.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:17 pm 
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..if Marchbank can ever withstand afl, I'd play him on a wing.. ..run back hard to fill the space and pop up as a 7th defender.. ....he can also push forward to help slow opposition run out of our F50..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2021 10:24 pm 
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..sps shouldn't be trade bait.. ....get miles into his legs.. ..wasn't good as a defender, years of missed opportunity to develop..

....Gibbs lite.. ....and we really didn't need to play either of them across HB, sps needs midfield and hff as his territory..

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 3:42 pm 
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plowman a lock in defence no way ,to slow provides no run,provides no support for team mates needs to be replaced and is the media in charge of list management p6 for cerra already Austin has to find another way. I agree with gary bucanera keep our draft picks and keep building just add a free agent to the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:20 pm 
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jamespul65 wrote:
I agree with gary bucanera keep our draft picks and keep building just add a free agent to the list.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 4:25 pm 
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Buckenara didn't rate Walsh as an A Grader. Not sure he's seen too many Carlton games. :roll:

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