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Who should be Carlton's next coach?
Teague 48%  48%  [ 125 ]
B Scott 2%  2%  [ 4 ]
Clarkson 13%  13%  [ 34 ]
Ratten 13%  13%  [ 33 ]
Voss 7%  7%  [ 18 ]
Malthouse 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Walls 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Caracella 3%  3%  [ 9 ]
Longmuir 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Barker 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Leppitsch 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Mitchell 3%  3%  [ 7 ]
Bassett 1%  1%  [ 2 ]
Burns 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Roos 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
Other 5%  5%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 262
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:37 am 
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......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...


Out of how many?

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Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.



We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.


There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.


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jake_h03 wrote:
What’s to say Teague isn’t the next Clarkson, Simpson, Hardwick etc




Zactly.

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sinbagger wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.



We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.


There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.[/qu

Im certain the club will do due diligence and approach Teague regarding his interest as possibly coaching the team, but I’ve not heard David say he actually wants the position , can anyone clarify.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:15 am 
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moshe25 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...


Out of how many?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:17 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.



We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.


There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.


Exactly. At least this way it’s non committal. Tell the AFL world we will decide at the end of 2020. Get a proper look at Teague first. If we go for the messiah and it doesn’t work out we will be in a much worse place than if we give Teague a year and it doesn’t work out


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robertbb wrote:
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What’s to say Teague isn’t the next Clarkson, Simpson, Hardwick etc




Zactly.


When you think about it, Teague has taken over a team with one of the worst records in history, 4 from 46 or whatever it is, and won 3 out of 5 with the two losses under a goal. You couldn’t hope for much more


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:25 am 
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Im certain the club will do due diligence and approach Teague regarding his interest as possibly coaching the team, but I’ve not heard David say he actually wants the position , can anyone clarify.


Asked a senior footy journo this question on Tuesday (as I honestly wasn't convinced myself)...and he said "Oh yeah. Big time. Forget what you're hearing from him when he's pressed by the media on this... internally, he's let it be known".


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:01 pm 
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Teague has so far shown a good, attacking game plan and a strong ability to respond tactically on game day. He has put 3/5 wins on the board and some players are immediately playing at a higher level than they were pre-Teague. And in more appropriate positions.

If we win 3 more games, he will be our coach.
If we don’t win any more games, I don’t think he will be.

Win 2 more games, and he is the front runner but not guaranteed.
Win 1 more game, and I reckon the Board will lean towards whomever they have in their heads as the more experienced coach (they were obviously leaning towards when Judd made those comments).

And I’m ok with this equation.
I have no option but to back the Board / selection committee to be more informed than any of us incl off the record perspectives that will not be uttered in public.


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DocSherrin III wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Im certain the club will do due diligence and approach Teague regarding his interest as possibly coaching the team, but I’ve not heard David say he actually wants the position , can anyone clarify.


Asked a senior footy journo this question on Tuesday (as I honestly wasn't convinced myself)...and he said "Oh yeah. Big time. Forget what you're hearing from him when he's pressed by the media on this... internally, he's let it be known".


Yeah but was Robbo drunk at the time?

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sinbagger wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.



We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.


There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.


No coach, Teague included will accept a 1 year contract and what will we achieve next year if we change coach again?

We can't be half pregnant about who is going to lead this club, Teague is either our man or he is not.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:34 pm 
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Steve_C7 wrote:
No coach, Teague included will accept a 1 year contract and what will we achieve next year if we change coach again?


Not that I'm condoning the idea but I'd suggest 90% of assistant coaches would jump at the opportunity to prove themselves. Even if it's a 12 month term.
Including Teague.
If they don't have the confidence in themselves to prove there worth, they're probably not worth employing anyway.

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Steve_C7 wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Why don’t we just hold off the decision until the end of 2020? If we like Teague but aren’t convinced yet, we could just continue the caretaker situation into next year. At the moment he’s going as well as you could hope from any new coach, so give him a full season with a full pre season to prepare. Gives us the best of both worlds. The chance to see what Teague can do, while maintaining the opportunity to go after an experienced coach in 12 months if it doesn’t work out.



We can't afford to waste any year in AFL, we either believe that Teague will take this team to the big dance or not.

I personally like Teague as a coach and more importantly his philosophy on how the game should be played. Ultra defensive coaches haven't won a premiership since 2005 and if you look further over the decades, it shows that it is a very rare for an ultra defensive team wins premierships, it's all about balance and Teague has shown in the few games that he has been in charge that he is getting the balance more to where it should be to play finals football.


There’s the same chance that we’ll waste next year under a messiah coach as under Teague. Does it really matter if we spend another year with Teague and then change? I think not, just put him on the same employee package that Bolton was on.

But, we shouldn’t decide until the season is done.


No coach, Teague included will accept a 1 year contract and what will we achieve next year if we change coach again?

We can't be half pregnant about who is going to lead this club, Teague is either our man or he is not.


Disagree. Senior coaching jobs are bloody hard to come by and I think Teague jump at another year to prove himself even if there’s no guarantees beyond that. Who knows when he’ll get another opportunity, and he has one of the most talented young lists in the league at his disposal with a lot of players who have done their apprenticeship


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Yeah but was Robbo drunk at the time?


Not Robbo...but probably as big a drinker...more your cognac drinker than your cheap bottle of red drinker though...


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jake_h03 wrote:
robertbb wrote:
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What’s to say Teague isn’t the next Clarkson, Simpson, Hardwick etc




Zactly.


When you think about it, Teague has taken over a team with one of the worst records in history, 4 from 46 or whatever it is, and won 3 out of 5 with the two losses under a goal. You couldn’t hope for much more


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Hardly a stat worth hanging your hat on. I mean I still don't get this 4 from 46 or whatever the BS stat is that the media used to beat us up with and now our supporters use to justify everything. BB took over the worst AFL list in history and in his first year he had won 5 from 10 (same amount of games Teague will have this year) with a streak of 4 wins in a row making it a 50% winning ratio. Then to everyones surprise we change out 50+ players in 3 years, were decimated with senior injuries and we didn't win jack. Go figure. Teague is sitting at 60% with a fully rebuilt list that has just required some tweaking (i.e. senior bodies in the middle), more games into players and as predicted the results are coming in.
To his credit, he has made a few moves that BB would never have made, brought in fresh energy (this is always temporary as in all honeymoon periods) and has the respect of the senior core. But this still does not make him the best option for us making and winning finals, nor does this mean he will attract A-Grade players. "Trying" him for a year is a very risky option for a club at this point in its development. It will have to be all or nothing if they are serious about pushing for finals. And I am still not saying he is the wrong choice, but he might not be the perfect fit for us in 2 years from now. Either way, he still has until the end of the year to put his best foot forward. Let's hope he does.


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jake_h03 wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...


Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs


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No no no. Way to manipulate statistics. How many coaches coached a second team to a flag OUT OF number of coaches to coach a 2nd team. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR THAT MATTERS.

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DocSherrin III wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Im certain the club will do due diligence and approach Teague regarding his interest as possibly coaching the team, but I’ve not heard David say he actually wants the position , can anyone clarify.


Asked a senior footy journo this question on Tuesday (as I honestly wasn't convinced myself)...and he said "Oh yeah. Big time. Forget what you're hearing from him when he's pressed by the media on this... internally, he's let it be known".

Yep, he has been shrewd from day one when he suggested that he didn't know what was going on, only to be told he was coaching after the BB sacking.

Look at Shaw now he has stated that he wants the role at North. He is being hounded at every press conference.

That can't be fun. I think he went too early with that statement.

Teague seems far more guarded.


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DocSherrin III wrote:
bmaurizio wrote:
Im certain the club will do due diligence and approach Teague regarding his interest as possibly coaching the team, but I’ve not heard David say he actually wants the position , can anyone clarify.


Asked a senior footy journo this question on Tuesday (as I honestly wasn't convinced myself)...and he said "Oh yeah. Big time. Forget what you're hearing from him when he's pressed by the media on this... internally, he's let it be known".

His manager, Liam Pickering, has come out today and said that Teague does want the job and Carlton would be mad not to consider him.


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moshe25 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
moshe25 wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
......Looking back at the last 20 years, the only coaches I can think of who have won premierships at a second club are Malthouse and Matthews...


Out of how many?

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Pagan
Sheedy
Matthews
Williams
Roos
Worsfold
Thompson
Clarkson
Malthouse
Scott
Longmire
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

2 out of 14 in the past 20 years by my calcs


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No no no. Way to manipulate statistics. How many coaches coached a second team to a flag OUT OF number of coaches to coach a 2nd team. THAT'S THE DENOMINATOR THAT MATTERS.

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Ahh I see. Sorry. Was just making a simple point that the vast majority of premierships have been one by coaches who were first timers, so we shouldn’t swerve Teague just because he doesn’t have senior coaching experience. I BEG FORGIVENESS


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