Synbad wrote:
The_Wookie wrote:
Synbad wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
The disappointing figure in The Wookie's chart is the membership figure.
If you want to hang the board for something, thats a good place to start.
Wait!!!
How do the figures compare against the other teams.
How do you know whats disappointing or not?
Say you didnt know that other clubs can have up to 70,000 members.. and many over 50,000 you wouldnt be disapointed with our membership figures also right???
Its just that we pay more attention to those figures we hear about.
Again... our biggest money spinner has come from pokies... and thats not cos of Sticks...
Now where do we lie over all on the sectors Sticks can control???
If you dont know the answers to these questions - I see Richmond cited on this forum a bit and thats a laugh and a half on direct comparison alone - then what the hell are you criticising for? Get out there and do some research of your own. What would I know, Ive only done club by club comparisons since 2009. The only reason that table exists is because im going through alll the clubs to do the same thing eventually.
Sorry to touch a raw nerve there Wookie ol boy... but i would have thought.. if you pull an ace out of your sleeve as some kind of meaningful argument... youd put the whole thing in its entire perspective or not worry about it.
You cant make an argument on figures in isolation.... its just not on .
Now m not asking you to do extra homework... im asking you .. if you wanna do some.. to do it properly....or not at all....
I cant make an argument on figures in isolation? So you can pull selective figures but I cant pull 6 years of financial records and draw a conclusion that we're better off? Pull the other one.
Those figures are for 6 different years, and are designed to show the change in carltons financial position in that time. It doesnt matter what other clubs are doing if our house is in order. This forum in particular seems particularly obssessed with how other clubs are doing while ignoring the fact that in 6 years our position has improved markedly across the board. But hey lets argue selective figures and compare them to the monster clubs like Hawthorn - who massively benefitied their financial line by selling much of their season interstatre - and Collingwood - historically larger than any club in the AFL. Essendon* have historically also been financially strong. People who bring up Richmond constantly are doing so with no real idea of what richmonds figures actually are or mean.
On 2012 Figures alone
Revenue:
■Essendon* – $65,431,425
■Hawthorn – $57,277,620
■Geelong – $48,957,150
■Carlton – $46,637,015 (up $6 million on 2011)
■Brisbane – $43,900,000*
■Richmond – $37,640,767
■Port Adelaide – $36,600,000*
■Western Bulldogs – $32,777,251
■St Kilda – $30,846,816
Sponsorship, Marketing
■Richmond – $19,323,900 Iinc 6 million Tiger Fund)
■Geelong – $15,696,889
■Hawthorn – $15,083,689
■Carlton – $12,524,669
■St Kilda – $6,714,163
Membership, reserved seating
■Essendon* – $9,367,066
■Hawthorn – $9,028,307
■Carlton – $8,953,054
■St Kilda – $7,353,883
■Richmond – $5,050,000 (membership only)
■Western Bulldogs – $5,027,548 (membership only)
Gate reciepts
■Hawthorn – $4,018,101 (“matchday income”)
■Carlton – $3,426,953
■Western Bulldogs – $1,374,525 (“match returns and gate receipts”)
■Essendon* – $726,504 (This is not a misprint)
■Richmond – Not specified
■St Kilda – included in AFL revenue
Geelong includes Gate reciepts with membership: $11,536,630
Total Profit/Loss:
■Essendon* – $12,345,536
■Richmond – $3,017,742
■Hawthorn – $1,288,810
■Western Bulldogs – (136,679)
■St Kilda – ($436,818)
■Carlton – ($639,799)
■Geelong – ($996,000)
■Brisbane – ($2,200,013)*
■Port Adelaide – ($2,117,071)*
Operating Profit/Loss
■Richmond – $3,017,742
■North Melbourne – $1,193,080*
■Hawthorn – $1,288,810
■St Kilda – $631,135
■Essendon* – $401,429
■Geelong – $322,000
■Western Bulldogs – ($136,679)
■Carlton – ($683,799)
■Brisbane – ($2,513,262)*
■Port Adelaide – ($4,120,000)*
Merchandise Income:
■Essendon* – $3,226,302
■Hawthorn – $2,700,000
■Geelong – $2,699,798
■Carlton – $1,902,671
■Western Bulldogs – $1,268,765 (labelled “consumer products”)
■St Kilda – $1,121,857
■Richmond – not specified
Football Department Spend
■Carlton – $20,349,646
■Essendon* – $19,200,704
■Geelong - $19,200,072
■St Kilda – $17,962,408
■Brisbane – $17,200,000*
■Port Adelaide – $16,300,000*
■Western Bulldogs – $15,748,928
■Richmond – $3,915,909 (specifically cited)
■Hawthorn – $2,378,471 (Specifically cited)
Net Assets
■Essendon* – $35,059,757
■Hawthorn – $26,364,619
■Western Bulldogs – $23,227,514
■Richmond – $19,065,807
■Carlton – $12,709,584
■Geelong – $9,957,144
■St Kilda – $5,633,566
In 2011
Gross Revenue
■Collingwood – $75,232,702
■Essendon* – $51,416,731
■West Coast – $50,200,000
■Hawthorn – $49,151,009
■Geelong – $48,438,196
■Brisbane – $42,297,354
■Carlton – $39,950,000
■Port Adelaide – $37,017,885
■Melbourne – $33,514,371
■Richmond – $33,403,202
■Western Bulldogs – $32,453,030
■Adelaide – $30,546,426
■St Kilda – $28,287,336
■North Melbourne – $26,017,066
Gaming Revenue and Hospitality
■Collingwood – $19,201,114 (inc. Social Club)
■Brisbane – $12,641,070 (inc. Social Club)
■Geelong – $10,083,082 (inc. food and beverage)
■Hawthorn – $10,057,704 (inc bar and bistro)
■Port Adelaide – $6,822,171 (inc.licenced venues)
■Carlton – $4,504,537 (gaming only)
■Western Bulldogs – $3,770,594 (hospitality only)
■Melbourne – $3,594,013 (inc. social club)
■Richmond – $3,410,144 (inc Social club)
■St Kilda – $656,918 (Social Club)
■Essendon* – N/S
■Adelaide – N/S
■West Coast – N/S
Membership Revenue
■Collingwood – $16,419,687 (does NOT include gate reciepts)
■Geelong – $12,121,444 (inc. gate receipts)
■Hawthorn – $11,705,117 (inc. gate reciepts)
■Carlton – $11,617,793 (inc. gate reciepts)
■Adelaide – $10,591,091
■Essendon* – $10,363,690 (inc. gate reciepts)
■Melbourne – $9,727,844 (inc. gate reciepts)
■St Kilda – $7,750,153 (does not inc gate reciepts)
■Brisbane – $6,918,708 (inc. gate reciepts)
■Western Bulldogs – $6,712,710 (inc. gate reciepts)
■North Melbourne – $5,745,872 (inc. gate reciepts)
■Port Adelaide – Not Specified
■Richmond – Not Specified
■West Coast – Not Specified
Sponsorship and Marketing Revenue
■Collingwood – $22,170,584
■Richmond – $17,252,886
■Port Adelaide – $16,238,492
■Essendon* – $15,532,108
■Geelong – $15,517,692
■Hawthorn – $14,576,422
■Carlton – $12,378,037
■Brisbane – $11,033,963
■Adelaide – $10,647,497
■Western Bulldogs – $8,911,027
■North Melbourne – $8,782,975
■Melbourne – $8,133,129
■St KIlda – $6,938,019
■West Coast – Not Specified
Merchandise Revenue
■Hawthorn – $3,065,244
■Geelong – $2,583,088
■Essendon* – $2,563,026
■Carlton – $1,910,251
■Western Bulldogs – $1,392,135
■North Melbourne – $1,036,064
■St Kilda – $980,156
■Adelaide – $846,018
■Melbourne – $806,732
■Port Adelaide – $696,759
■Collingwood – N/S
■Brisbane – N/S
■Richmond – N/S
■West Coast – N/S
Football Department Spend
■West Coast – $19,800,000
■Collingwood – $19,412,167
■Geelong – $18,821,742
■Essendon* – $18,510,078
■Carlton – $17,831,197
■Melbourne – $16,309,582
■St Kilda – $16,974,040
■Brisbane – $16,061,596
■Port Adelaide – $15,682,596
■North Melbourne – $15,280,850
■Western Bulldogs – $14,694,994
■Richmond – $3,466,748 (all that is specifically named as football spend)
■Hawthorn – $2,316,797 (all that is specifically named football spend)
■Adelaide – Not specified.
Total Comprehensive Income for 2011 (profit/loss)
■Melbourne – $6,040,629
■Richmond – $2,752,801
■West Coast – $2,600,000
■Collingwood – $2,141,436
■Essendon* – $2,059,379
■Geelong – $1,015,912
■Port Adelaide – $877,971
■Western Bulldogs – $877,175
■Carlton – $742,401
■Hawthorn – ($4,920)
■Adelaide – ($610,942)
■North Melbourne – ($1,110,807)
■St Kilda – ($1,271,149)
■Brisbane – ($1,855,926)
If it pleases the prosecution Ill do the rest at my own friggin convenience.
Referenced from my blog at footybusiness:
2012 -
http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/gove ... l-reports/ (current as of 5am this morning)
2011 -
http://footybusiness.wordpress.com/atte ... afl-clubs/
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