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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:03 pm 
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Do we have any room in the Cap to have a go at getting Jacob Hopper????

His addition would make one hell of a midfield.

And failing Hopper, I still hope we are having some quiet chats with Grundy.

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I can't understand why Grundy isn't our No 1 target

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:06 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Do we have any room in the Cap to have a go at getting Jacob Hopper????

His addition would make one hell of a midfield.

And failing Hopper, I still hope we are having some quiet chats with Grundy.

Regards Cazzesman


I can't understand why Grundy isn't our No 1 target

Because he is expensive and injured.
Two things we can't afford on our list.
For a ruck I'd prefer we targeted Sam Hayes TBH.

And Hopper or Tarranto any day of the week over Grundy.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:01 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
One thing that is not overlooked but glossed over to some degree is the other teams
It’s no surprise the Crows beat us
I reckon their rebuild so far has been excellent
The Hawks ditto


Crows Top 20 picks of recent-

Pick 6. Josh Rachele
Pick 2. Riley Thilthorpe
Pick 11. Luke Pedlar
6. Fischer McAsey
9. Chayce Jones.
16. Ned McHenry
12. Darcy Fogarty
15. Jordan Galluci
11. Wayne Milera
17. Tom Doedee

What is it of that lot that really does it for you?
In that time they also traded a couple of first rounders for your old mate Brycey boy.
If Carlton served up that rubbish, you'd be all over them. But no, the Crows rebuild has been excellent.
They beat us because we played poorly and their 3 best players on the day were 2 x 32 year olds and a scrapper who's skills are sub AFL level.

We had the younger team in 17 of our 22 games this season. Better than any of the other top 12 sides.
I'd suggest our rebuild is far better than Adelaide's or Hawthorn's. But hey, I'm an optimist. :thumbsup:


Ahh BV
Nice to hear from you
Based on personal opinion I wouldn’t mind seeing
Thilthorpe
Jones
McHenry
Fogarty
Doedee
Rachelle
In CFC guernsey

As for their list
Keays rookie pick
Hateley pick 14
Soligo pick 36
Hamill pick 30
Hinge delisted free agent
Berry pick 28
Mc Adam ( we know)
Schoenberg pick 24
Murray pre season draft
Butts rookie pick
O’Brien rookie pick
All these players have impressed me in 2022

Don’t know where you go the age stat but the Crows are ranked the youngest list and least experienced
List in the AFL in 2022

In relation to the actual game in round 20
We won the clearences 40 to 37.
Pretty much break even
Beaten in contested possession 155 to 141
Due to the pressure they put on turnovers were 77 to 89
Bottom Line
In 2022 if we didn’t smash teams in contested possession and clearences we were [REDACTED]
Our scores from turnovers in 2022 was in the bottom half of the comp
Our skills under pressure are still shit and we don’t convert enough when we force turnovers
It needs addressing
Give the Crows some credit
I like their rebuild
Gibbs was a shocking trade but Dawson looks a winner
So get your facts straight


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:21 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Ahh BV
Nice to hear from you
Based on personal opinion I wouldn’t mind seeing
Thilthorpe
Jones
McHenry
Fogarty
Doedee
Rachelle
In CFC guernsey


Half of them would be running around in our 2's.
Great list analysis.

You're an expert at bagging your own club and pumping up everyone elses garbage.
Our list shits all over their's. To suggest otherwise is rubbish.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 8:38 pm 
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Only one I’d have have sniff at is Rachelle.

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Only one I’d have have sniff at is Rachelle.


Yep. WIll be Papley++

YUGE Carlton fan as a kid, too.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2022 10:24 pm 
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I was buoyant at the half way mark but it became obvious that our skill level our pressure to handle turnover and create turnovers needs to improve drastically.
Once our contested ball fell away we were ducked

That’s not bagging your team
That’s a fact
Guys like Dow and Setterfield simply won’t get the job done

I like what the Crows have done in 2022


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 12:21 am 
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keogh wrote:
I was buoyant at the half way mark but it became obvious that our skill level our pressure to handle turnover and create turnovers needs to improve drastically.
Once our contested ball fell away we were ducked

That’s not bagging your team
That’s a fact
Guys like Dow and Setterfield simply won’t get the job done

I like what the Crows have done in 2022


We had on average 13 blokes out injured each week and a fair chunk of them were best 22 players ... the only club that had a similar run finished the season with 2 wins. And you prattle on about our depth being poor ... spare me :banghead:

We missed the finals by 1 point. Behave yourself!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 6:08 am 
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keogh wrote:

Guys like Dow and Setterfield simply won’t get the job done

I like what the Crows have done in 2022


And that is why Dow and Setterfield played mainly VFL in a team decimated by injury.
Yet McHenry and Jones were best 22 players for the Crows. Try thinking first for a change, before systematically being critical of the club.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 7:55 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:

Guys like Dow and Setterfield simply won’t get the job done

I like what the Crows have done in 2022


And that is why Dow and Setterfield played mainly VFL in a team decimated by injury.
Yet McHenry and Jones were best 22 players for the Crows. Try thinking first for a change, before systematically being critical of the club.


Not sure what the twoing and froing is all about . You could argue the merits of lists till the cows come home ................Fact is , Crows are a very plucky side and have given plenty a fright this year . Going over there was always a danger game for us or anyone else and the loss didn't deter me . Saints game was the disaster .

PS..........for what its worth i think our list is tracking just fine . Got to have your share of foot soldiers .

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:45 am 
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robertbb wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Only one I’d have have sniff at is Rachelle.


Yep. WIll be Papley++

YUGE Carlton fan as a kid, too.



Carlton small forward, Corey Durdin is an Adelaide boy.
Crows small forward, Josh Rachele is a mad Carlton fan.

Rachele has Greek-Italian heritage. That spells Carlton all over it for mine.

Swap them when Rachele's contract is up...give them a first rounder too.
He extended his contract to end of 2025.

2023 Make an offer.
2024 Make it happen, before he's uncontracted
2025 Carlton Flag

Who cares. Just target him every year.
Make it known to his management and to Rachele we respect he's a Carlton man, and welcome him back home.

Imagine Motley and Rachele at the feet of a 28yo Harry & Charlie & 26yo TDK in 2025...imagine that combo in 2024. :smoking:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:47 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:

Guys like Dow and Setterfield simply won’t get the job done

I like what the Crows have done in 2022


And that is why Dow and Setterfield played mainly VFL in a team decimated by injury.
Yet McHenry and Jones were best 22 players for the Crows. Try thinking first for a change, before systematically being critical of the club.


Not sure what the twoing and froing is all about . You could argue the merits of lists till the cows come home ................Fact is , Crows are a very plucky side and have given plenty a fright this year . Going over there was always a danger game for us or anyone else and the loss didn't deter me . Saints game was the disaster .

PS..........for what its worth i think our list is tracking just fine . Got to have your share of foot soldiers .

Agreed Mick.
I don’t see the list as too much of an issue. Got stars on all lines. Depth is growing. Couple of under 21s starting to look like players.
There are a few deficiencies on the list for sure, such as the wings, but nothing that can’t be fixed.
The areas for improvement for me are in the mentality of the playing group to be ruthless from week to week and also the durability of the list. Take a look at the injury lists of the finalists going into this week. Not even in the ball park of what we dealt with all year.
Ultimately think we have a bit to look forward to in the coming years but the team needs to learn from this year and start getting ruthless. Nothing is guaranteed in this game as we know


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 9:51 am 
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If Josh Rachele is anything like his old man he'll have a poster of himself on his wall :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:00 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Only one I’d have have sniff at is Rachelle.


Yep. WIll be Papley++

YUGE Carlton fan as a kid, too.



Carlton small forward, Corey Durdin is an Adelaide boy.
Crows small forward, Josh Rachele is a mad Carlton fan.

Rachele has Greek-Italian heritage. That spells Carlton all over it for mine.

Swap them when Rachele's contract is up...give them a first rounder too.
He extended his contract to end of 2025.

2023 Make an offer.
2024 Make it happen, before he's uncontracted
2025 Carlton Flag

Who cares. Just target him every year.
Make it known to his management and to Rachele we respect he's a Carlton man, and welcome him back home.

Imagine Motley and Rachele at the feet of a 28yo Harry & Charlie & 26yo TDK in 2025...imagine that combo in 2024. :smoking:




We can only imagine what might have been.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:53 am 
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AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
robertbb wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Only one I’d have have sniff at is Rachelle.


Yep. WIll be Papley++

YUGE Carlton fan as a kid, too.



Carlton small forward, Corey Durdin is an Adelaide boy.
Crows small forward, Josh Rachele is a mad Carlton fan.

Rachele has Greek-Italian heritage. That spells Carlton all over it for mine.

Swap them when Rachele's contract is up...give them a first rounder too.
He extended his contract to end of 2025.

2023 Make an offer.
2024 Make it happen, before he's uncontracted
2025 Carlton Flag

Who cares. Just target him every year.
Make it known to his management and to Rachele we respect he's a Carlton man, and welcome him back home.

Imagine Motley and Rachele at the feet of a 28yo Harry & Charlie & 26yo TDK in 2025...imagine that combo in 2024. :smoking:




We can only imagine what might have been.


It is with deep sadness thinking of what may have been. At least I got to see him and appreciate the star quality of the man.

Edit: Motlop

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:53 am 
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The reason we fell away is we relied too much on contested possession and clearences.
Stood out like dogs balls.
The loss of Hewett was critical.
Best clearence player in the team.

We lack pace around the ground . We are a very one paced team.
There are many parts to a successful team but it’s so crucial to score from turnover.
Part of it is system and coaching.
Part of it is natural ability.
It’s a shame that someone like Cuningham can’t get on the park and when he does he is way too inconsistent.
He is a guy who has genuine pace and is a beautiful kick.
We definitely need a few more like him who are consistent week in week out
Philp is another who has genuine pace .

My question to you guys is how long do you keep guys Dow and Setterfield on the list.
Plowman
Fogarty
Newman
Too much deadwood still
Our depth is shit
You can’t assume your going to have a good run with injuries

Why waste a midseason pick on Hayes who is a turnover merchant
Every pick can’t be wasted
Don’t be blindsided by the top end talent we have
It’s the best bottom six players on GF day thst win you the flag
Once you get passed our best dozen players the drop off is way too dramatic


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:53 am 
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Wojee wrote:
If Josh Rachele is anything like his old man he'll have a poster of himself on his wall :lol:


Ego is not a dirty word. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 10:59 am 
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Our playing list requires plenty yet , a reliable Ruckman , KPP defender , more midfielders whether skilled outside runners or just plain balanced all rounders, and another small medium attacking forward with extreme X factor.
More professionalism, better preparedness , aerobic fitness will guarantee better durability, and some aggression desperately.
Much for Austin and Vossy to ponder for a few years yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:05 am 
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keogh wrote:
The reason we fell away is we relied too much on contested possession and clearences.
Stood out like dogs balls.
The loss of Hewett was critical.
Best clearence player in the team.

We lack pace around the ground . We are a very one paced team.
There are many parts to a successful team but it’s so crucial to score from turnover.
Part of it is system and coaching.
Part of it is natural ability.
It’s a shame that someone like Cuningham can’t get on the park and when he does he is way too inconsistent.
He is a guy who has genuine pace and is a beautiful kick.
We definitely need a few more like him who are consistent week in week out
Philp is another who has genuine pace .



The reliance on playing to win only one way is the point you make. Good point.

I don't want to lose that contesting part of our game.
Its a quality that we lacked for decades, including imo in the Judd, Stevens, Carrazzo, Murphy, Gibbs era.

The contested brand defines us, our intent and our effort.
I don't think Hewett alone missing is the reason we failed.
When we lost Kennedy, and, played an underdone Cerra, or had Walsh missing too, we lost that edge at the contest: tipping point.
Do you think we would've lost the last game with Hewett and Watch playing, or just one?

We must however find pace on the outside, and agree we need a balance between contested and turnover goals.
I think we swayed too much one way or the other, during the fiorst half season, but at least we showed we can adapt.
Getting the balance right is critical.

Cuningham's game was developing well till he did his ACL vs Druggies, and Philp killed it as an inside - outside mid with express pace in the TAC and his early games.
Pity both long term injured. I don't think they will be cut from the list, but its them or bust atm.

Injuries cruelled us, but we need to move that ball much better than we are, from a turnover.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2022 11:11 am 
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My question to you guys is how long do you keep guys Dow and Setterfield on the list.
Plowman
Fogarty
Newman
Too much deadwood still
Our depth is shit
You can’t assume your going to have a good run with injuries

Why waste a midseason pick on Hayes who is a turnover merchant
Every pick can’t be wasted
Don’t be blindsided by the top end talent we have
It’s the best bottom six players on GF day thst win you the flag
Once you get passed our best dozen players the drop off is way too dramatic


All of the above are depth players.
Hayes was a punt for half a season, and I dont think he's the answer either.
No doubt we would improve if we improve on the abovementioned.

We need Kemp, Philp, Boyd, Cottrell, TDK, Honey, Stocker to overtake them. I think they have all overtaken Fogarty based on selections.

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