If you ask me, i think the last point is hard to comprehend as well. This information was given to me earlier today.

However, all three points are plausible.

I'm just sick and tired of the same story with this list. There was so much potential just a few years ago but now we are going no where.

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the potential that was, has played itself out. perhaps you were expecting more?. Players that weren't doing well a few years ago are playing well, and some have past their best. Perhaps its a case that the extent of the expectation was ill founded.

Spot on. We had our chance a couple of years ago.

Time to cut our losses and rebuild. This team will not take us anywhere.

Our supposed leaders are now past it. The current crop is just as weak and soft and complacent as they come, our recruitment and development over the last few years has given them no support coming through.

Don't expect anything special over the next couple of years. We are Richmond. Get used to it.

Just think St.Kilda a few years back accept that they actually made a grand final or two and almost won one. Add a Fisher and a Riewoldt in their prime to our 2011 side and who knows what would have happened. But we didn't (and don't) have them and things change. There's a fine line but the clubs should know this and there's no excuses. We've had ample time and low enough finishes to get our list up to scratch and peaking at the right moment.

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Leadership group is weak-
They will allow Waite to return unchallenged for his stupidity.

Waite needs to know he is not a walk up start... Give him the extra week punishment and don't worry about the port game.
Its not about the port game it's about standards set for the team.

This is an underlying problem for the footy club. Weak leadership and no standards.

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Have we got a leadership group Synners.

The leadership group need to forge out a path for the team.
Obviously everything they have been doing till now has not been covering them in glory.
So what they now must do is change the status quo.
That begins with the leaders of the team as far as the team is concerned.
Do these guys not understand the growth must come from within themselves? They must identify standards and uphold them.
It's crucial!
It's not about being comfortable and mate ships not being rocked! It's about standards.

What does this group of players want out of football for themselves... Their mates.... Their club?

Excellence chasing high standards or losing to crap sides at every big challenge.

The game lost is from a lack of desire to belong in the high standards group.

High standards does not necessarily mean a flag but it gives you a chance.
Lack of standards definitely gives you no chance of a flag.

Mick's given this group a chance to govern
Itself and not treat them like school children.

They need to come out and set some standards.

I wonder if the leadership group ever tells Chris Judd that his lack of accountability is not good enough... Or that Waite is an idiot and should be punished for letting down the side.
Or that tackles are expected to stick and players must use their bodies for more than show.
How honest are these guys really with each other?

Alot of things that are unacceptable need to be pointed out.

We have this problem all over the club.... From president down....!


Let's find some accountability and balls to grow ourselves a spine...
Then maybe we might begin to head somewhere.

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The fish sticks rot from the head.

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Wasnt that what we employed leading teams for

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I actually agree with all of that!

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The unfortunate thing Synners is that what example does this particular leadership group set. Murph & Simmo, no tackles between them on Monday night, Waite we know about, Duigs in the reserves. Carrots who should of been made captain is out injured.

..don't know about the off-field part of it all, but on-field players like Army, Hendo, McLean, Krooz,, these are the players with leadership in game

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No that's why we employed a million dollar multi premiership coach!

Mick's given the team a chance to govern.
What a joke of a comment.

Has leading teams told Judd to chase and players to stick tackles?
Are you !@#$%^ serious?

What the !@#$% is the coach and all of his hand pick yes men there for?

Has he demanded excellence, 100% commitment, and accountability?
Has he taken any responsibility?
All he's done is blame everybody else (from the interchange bench to suspended players) and talk in a process.
After playing finals in the last three out of four years with a supporter of a coach we are looking forward for the end of the year after 7 rounds to rebuild with a guru at the helm.

If the players weren’t to blame last year for lack of leadership then the same applies this year and more so or you are all just hypocrite.
From the Greek word Hypocraty.

McLean and Krooz??? Can't see it.

Krooz is great using his body as a battering ram when the ball is on the ground, but doesn't speak (hence the nic name Humphrey).

Brock likes to peel away from the pack and spread to receive the next pass. Isn't he suppose to be in and under hard ball get? When he does get the hard ball, like Simmo, he dives on it and tries to hold it in, iunvaraibly having a free paid against him. He too doesn't say much.

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Has anyone else heard any one of these rumours/ facts?
First time for me.

Surely someone would have heard about the Duigan one given it was played out publicly.

Cazzeman would know about the Watson one, but don't expect him to say anything...other than its crap if it is crap. I'd like to know how Watson is viewd by MM. Cazz?

Where did you hear this stuff from bluecedar?

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an Essendon* supporter?

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Kreuzer is when he is 100%....lifts when it matters in games.

I would add Walker to that list though.

A bit harsh on McLean, I reckon he is one of our best leaders out there!

I see too many examples every week of our captain not doing the 'captain thing'. Alot of people have pointed out the shot at goal at the end of the quarter I reckon near the end of the 3rd quarter was worse. Curnow wrestled hard with no support and the ball was turned over for a goal 15m out. Ball goes back to the centre and Murphy just runs past him without even a glance.
Sick of seeing stuff like that every week, let's hope he shows a bit more support for players like Buckley and Menzel when they fail at times in games.

When was the last time he was 100% and how long did that last?

Micks walked into a playing group.
He wants to see what he has here.
He is giving our will give everything and everyone a go.

Yes! Including Watson. He tells them all they're nice and good. That they can play.
That they are in his plans.....

There is nothing not logical about what he has done and doing. He is learning about them.
He doesn't know them... For they are not his sheep.
He has only but inherited them.

You don't understand this or you are pretending?
Answer the question grasshopper.....

He wouldn't know Davis or Joseph's personality and inner being if he tripped over them.

Carlton is an unusual animal in what he has inherited.
Nobody doubts we have some talent even if is out of wack!
What is mystifying is the collective mindset and culture... As well as all the individual idiosyncratic make up of the players.

Ate you following grasshopper?

I should hold tutorials for the slower ones here.... For a fee of course! Line up.

Rattz had them for five years and six games and didn't understand them... and they were his very own creation. He built the team. Many know no other coach.
Five years and six games is an awful long time to understand what you are building.
You achnowledge this yes?

Or is your answer no?

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Micks walked into a playing group.
He wants to see what he has here.
He is giving our will give everything and everyone a go.

Yes! Including Watson. He tells them all they're nice and good. That they can play.
That they are in his plans.....

There is nothing not logical about what he has done and doing. He is learning about them.
He doesn't know them... For they are not his sheep.
He has only but inherited them.

You don't understand this or you are pretending?
Answer the question grasshopper.....

He wouldn't know Davis or Joseph's personality and inner being if he tripped over them.

Carlton is an unusual animal in what he has inherited.
Nobody doubts we have some talent even if is out of wack!
What is mystifying is the collective mindset and culture... As well as all the individual idiosyncratic make up of the players.

Ate you following grasshopper?

I should hold tutorials for the slower ones here.... For a fee of course! Line up.

Rattz had them for five years and six games and didn't understand them... and they were his very own creation. He built the team. Many know no other coach.
Five years and six games is an awful long time to understand what you are building.
You achnowledge this yes?

Or is your answer no?

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