This is no place for facts Wook.

I mean Sticks should just @#*£ right off because some anonymous bananas who couldn't draw a football said so. There's absolutely no reason we should show him the slightest respect or gratitude because these guys could do a much better job.

I mean all you have to do is ask them.

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Our reliance on gaming revenue has tripled in two years

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Thanks Wookie.

All interesting.

I'm curious about the shift from 2009 to 2012. Revenue is up 12.5 million but profit goes from 8.6 million to a 700K loss.

Where'd it go? What were the extra expenses that led to that?

How did we make 8.6 million dollars on 34 million revenue and yet make a loss on 46 million dollars revenue? Footy department spending including payouts is only up 4 million in that time.

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Errr we do have fund raises... and handouts from benefactors as well.

Actually.... can you tell us apart from what " the apathetic supporters " raise..

What our corporate sponsorship is???

Also what the AFL sharing from things like TV rights are.. and how do we compare with the other clubs??

Yes we have a large supporter base.. (That was there before Sticks even heard of the CFC).. and we have benefactors...

Aside from all that.... what has Sticks/Swann etc brought in off their own bats???


and where do we sit on the financial table overall as compared to the other clubs.....???

Thats what you should be showing us...

I reckon every clubs figures and turnover have gone up in the last 5 years... yes even Norths.. ..

In isolation wookie... that table says nothing.....

And thats not evidence in itself for anything...

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Oh i mean corporate sponsorship compared to other clubs...

in case youre misunderstanding.

Perspective and context.

The way i am reading things ... our biggest money spinner growth has been the pokies..

So we give Sticks credit for that do we???

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Im not going to look back on the annual report, but there was a substantial increase in marketing spend.

I AM CARLTON campaign
Social Media
Google Hangout

All of that stuff costs money, the benefit of which won't be seen this year but in coming years.

Making a profit or loss isn't the be all and end all for a football club. People are too hung up on the result for this year. We had a poor year on field, attendances down by 7k as a result so you have to expect revenues to be down. You can say the board are partly responsible for the poor on field result which is fair enough, but they'd have been budgeting and basing their spend on a successful season.

Hopefully they've taken the steps to rectify the on field result, we'll finish top 4 in 2013 and make a big profit as a result.

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The disappointing figure in The Wookie's chart is the membership figure.

If you want to hang the board for something, thats a good place to start.

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And they would probably point to the on-field performance.

I reckon if we are on track for top 4 by mid season (with some stronger performances against teams like the Hawks for example) we'll smash through 50k.

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Wait!!!

How do the figures compare against the other teams.

How do you know whats disappointing or not?

Say you didnt know that other clubs can have up to 70,000 members.. and many over 50,000 you wouldnt be disapointed with our membership figures also right???

Its just that we pay more attention to those figures we hear about.

Again... our biggest money spinner has come from pokies... and thats not cos of Sticks...

Now where do we lie over all on the sectors Sticks can control???

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Renovations of Princes Park would also take a fair chunk out of it as well, I'd assume.

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If I want to measure CFC commercial and financial performance, and thus gauge the performance of the board. I would benchmark against Pies and Hawks, the pace setters not middle of the road teams or those at the bottom. If benchmark is Port Adelaide or Bulldogs the boards performance is going to look stellar.

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Well I had just addressed the other factors the board has influence over, but sure lets ignore all of that and concentrate just on Sticks.

In that case, Im not sure why you quoted my post.

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Sticks is president of our board
I board guides the football cllub towards a certain direction.

You said the "only sector youre disappointed with is the membership...
Wookie gave us some figures but he never put them into any kind of context,

I want them in a REAL context to decide whether i am satisfied or not....

Ultimately where we are as a club should be copared to other clubs.

And keep in mind we should be one of the biggest clubs.... so we should compare ourseves with the bigger clubs.



Dont underestimate the role a president has at a footy club.......

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I didn't say membership figures were the only aspect I was disappointed in.

I said people are too hung up on the result from this year, which is true.

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Whatabout the choice of having Ratten coach and half way through the year looking around at sacking him and paying him out?
Thats just for starters.....
That decision was consumated last year not this year... the sacking was this year ...

And its not just about the season... its more about where we used to be and where were at now.

Are we making up any ground???

I think people are looking at last season and chalking it up to a once off disaster......
Thats what an ostrich would think....


This club is in the average basket...!!!...thats all i see...!!

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I dont think I've really disagreed with any of that.

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The bulk of that would be assets rather than expenses that would be written off over the following years and wouldn't show up on the P&L.

You can see the assets have risen significantly (5.7 million) which would probably account for the renovation spending.

Still love to know what the actual expenses are.

Anyone got a copy of the last two years reports and can provide a list of where it all went?

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you won't get real change while the current family ownership remains in control

If you dont know the answers to these questions - I see Richmond cited on this forum a bit and thats a laugh and a half on direct comparison alone - then what the hell are you criticising for? Get out there and do some research of your own. What would I know, Ive only done club by club comparisons since 2009. The only reason that table exists is because im going through alll the clubs to do the same thing eventually.

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Sorry to touch a raw nerve there Wookie ol boy... but i would have thought.. if you pull an ace out of your sleeve as some kind of meaningful argument... youd put the whole thing in its entire perspective or not worry about it.

You cant make an argument on figures in isolation.... its just not on .

Now m not asking you to do extra homework... im asking you .. if you wanna do some.. to do it properly....or not at all....

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