wright got rid of brody grundy bcos rucks can't be taking that big a piece of the pie. when there's guys out there who will do a job for half that.


are st kilda allowed to pull their offer, or re-offer on a reduced sum? how does all that work? bcos to me, tdk going back and forwards like this, it smells a bit like the aints have cold feet.

All the Noise is that the playing group want the game plan changed so it’s more sustainable.
The coaches aren’t listening and keep reverting back. Voss is very stubborn and is losing the group.

Hence TdK discussing changes directly with Wright. The question is, what did Wright have to say or intent to do?
We might know the answer sooner rather than later.

My view from the outside, tells me the coaches have let the group play their way in the first quarter or half and then proceed to shut the game down. It’s becoming an arm wrestle in house, so we could implode any game now.

Source?

Red or White?

Always red.

Voss would be wise to release the game plan and let the players either succeed or drown.
He will win on both accounts.

That makes no sense.

The suggestion that the way we start games is more sustainable…

We play a slow, one-dimensional midfield that puts pressure on itself because every disposal misses the target - even when it hits the target.

Wide open defensive switch forces a teammate to sprint 20m out of position to take a mark. Whole zone shifts, trap snaps shut.

Handball to a runner forces them to change stride. Next possession gets bumped. Intercept, travelator, score.

They wouldn’t be complaining if they could hit a target.

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20 identical entries a quarter is just hoarding. Junk piled so high that the house is unrecognisable.

Can’t get to the kitchen. Order in & pile up the rubbish.

Can’t get to the toilet. Only order from places that supply plastic bags & extra napkins.

It’s a mental sickness.

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I wonder if TDK has cold feet given the dumpster fire St Kilda is so far this year (compared to the bog standard basket case we are).

This rhetoric around $1m being too much is odd.

The salary cap in 2022 was $13.54m
$1m was 7.39% of the cap

In 2027 it will be $18.44m
$1m will be 5.42% of the cap

In 2022 5.42% of the cap was $734k
Would anyone have said $734k is too much?

In 2027 7.39% of the cap will be $1.36m
That’s the new $1m with 5 years of inflation


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The public response to Saints offer has been very negative. Ditto the media. Polls suggest that Saints paying too high. Your suggestion about cold feet, could be very well correct, but rather than TDK getting cold feet it could be Saints.

Regardless he will be offered more at saints than Wright will, even if Wright takes our offer of $1M off the table and offers 800. Sainst will still be 500K more at 1.3M

Personally I think this is typical of SOS when he has to spend 95% of the salary cap he front loads. The earlier suggestion from Traveller of $2.5M front loaded, could happen. Could happen 2 years in a row if the Sainst continue to struggle to attract talent. May even front load King and ship hiim out at bargain basement to make even more room for another big name player.

Saints isnt a destination club, and if Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera doesnt resign with them...what a war chest for a shit club.

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jake, Ive posted all those figures and more in the List Management thread. I think everyone understands the numbers and the incremental increases.

I like the way you've broken it down because that makes it easy for peeps to appreciate. I dont think we have a cap problem. I even inflated the numbers for all our list and still struggled to get to 95%

Grundy was offered and signed for 900K in 2020.

The discussion here is that Wright comes from the school, like Chris Scott, you dont pay big money for ruvks. Fwd Rucks is another story, and that $1.7 M is more than 7% of the cap. Hence why we wont match it. Should we even be offering $1M for a ruck? I would for a Fwd Ruck, but that's my opinion. Harry is paid $850-900. He's a Fwd Ruck.

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I’m not sure I follow this, you’re saying that players are being “let” by the coaches to play the fast attacking style in first quarters, then the coaches impose their own lock down style after that through the second half? Yet Voss has been on record saying he wants them to play the first quarter/half style the entire game but the players can’t seem to do it?

I can't see that being the case Surrey. For starters, Voss has stated that he wants them to continue playing with the intensity of early in the game. Secondly, if it is so successful (which it is) why would a coach ask the players to revert to a game style that loses games, and puts his job in jeopardy?

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Snap!

“You don’t pay big money for rucks”

That’s my whole point Bondi. $1m is no longer “big money”. Soon will be seeing contracts up to $2m and there will be loads of players above $1m

Talk of Wright taking $1m off the table and offering $800k is just hilarious. That would be an insult and a sure fire way to ensure he’s packing his bags.

TDK hasn’t had the best season, but he’s still been one of our better players and he’s only just hitting his prime. He probably has more upside than any ruckman in the league and will likely be in the conversation for AA for the next 5-10 years.

I don’t see the ruck position as being a limiting factor on size of a contract. If you can impact the game enough, I don’t care what position you play. Has Gawn been worth it? Was Dean Cox worth it? TDK has shown he can offer a lot more around the ground than most rucks, so no I don’t believe $1m a year in the context of an $18m salary cap is too much at all. Of course $1.7m is insane, but that’s st kildas problem, not ours


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Intensity yes, but he shuts the game down in the 2nd half. He doesn't believe we can sustain the run and carry game for 4 quarters.
He even mentioned something to that affect after the StKilda game. Something along the lines, if we didn't make it a contest, we would have lost.
I'm not saying his wrong but the players aren't buying in.

Based on what was said publicly, I don't agree Surrey. Check out Vossy's presser. Listen to Charlie's interview.

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Its not hilarious. So don't laugh at something that is possible. Its a possibility.
I was told that a player in contract being delisted was being delusional only to see LOB delisted.

Wright traded out Grundy. The AA ruck

Anything is possible.

I like TDK and dont want to belittle him. I hope he stays, but I'm not desperate and I will respond to your post.

I know some people rate TDK, I don't. I know he's played great games in the ruck but fails against the bigger bulkier rucks...all of them.
He may have had a good number of disposals, but in the round 1 and 3 his opponent was most valuable player on the ground, and we lost because of that. Fact.

I've already mentioned all the rucks who have beaten TDK this year. Too many to entitle him to $1M yesterday, today and tomorrow imo. Most beat him in the ruck. He gets cheap kicks and bombs them forward. Some people like players bombing it forwrd. We've found it doesn't help even with Coleman medallists ahead.

Now, Gawn and Cox...like I said anything is possible. I'll take them for a Mill. Said it before Gawn is worth it. He goes fwd and he's hard to spoil. Damn good mark. TDK not as good....nowhere near as good in the ruck as Gawn and Cox. Other than Grundy (7 time AA in a row and captain), which other ruck in the comp is on $1M or more than Grundy at $900k?

Yeah TDK may get bigger and heaver to compete against the big rucks, but he'll lose his abilty to jump if he does get bigger, then what happens to his upside?; that's his one wood. Take away his jump and he flounders.

I like TDK as the Fwd - Ruck. You love him and I think you want to pay him $1M. That's our offer. Would you pay him $1.5 to retain TDK?

I've said it before, but I think the Sainys are paying that silly money because they have the room and dont have too many star players on big money. I also think he'll play Forward more than he does at Carlton and Marshall will do the ruckwork against the heavier built ruck. If we played him with a better first ruck than Pitto, I would want to keep him for a Mil. That's the offer

and to your first point saying $1M is not big money, who are you trying to kid?

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WE ran out of healthy players before half time vs Saints.

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